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Posted on 04/17/2010 3:57:54 PM PDT by Chet 99
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To: oldenuff2no
What I see is the pit bulls pulling their owners down the street and I have to wonder which is more stupid. The dog because it isn't smart enough to do what it needs to do or the owner who actually believes it is them who is in control. So...the absence of good training and responsible ownership is now a breed flaw?
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posted on
04/17/2010 5:30:55 PM PDT
by
LongElegantLegs
( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
To: svcw
Really? Because it's happened before...
At the end of the Pacific War, the Marine Corps had 510 war dogs. Of this number, 491 were deprogrammed, a process that could take a year, and returned to their owners, given to their handlers, or returned to the Army, which had provided 41 to the Corps. Only four dogs could not be returned to their masters because, even after extensive retraining, they proved "incorrigible" and were considered to be unsafe for civilian life.
War Dogs on Guam
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posted on
04/17/2010 5:38:27 PM PDT
by
LongElegantLegs
( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
To: historyrepeatz
Besides the whole ‘same species’ thing...
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posted on
04/17/2010 5:39:41 PM PDT
by
LongElegantLegs
( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
To: LongElegantLegs
Only the military has the time to retrain a war dog. Do you have a year? Retraining Pit Bulls is a fools errand.
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posted on
04/17/2010 6:33:18 PM PDT
by
muleskinner
("You know the Germans always make good stuff')
To: muleskinner
Right, because the Marines have nothing better to do. Lots of private rescue organizations and the individuals who fund them are willing to devote their time and resources to rehabilitating these dogs, because they know it can be done, and has been done.
Why deny them that?
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posted on
04/17/2010 6:43:03 PM PDT
by
LongElegantLegs
( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
To: muleskinner
a fools errand
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posted on
04/17/2010 6:51:29 PM PDT
by
kanawa
To: Salamander
Pinch collars, like pit bulls, LOOK scary; therefore everyone who owns one must be a drug-dealing toothless redneck hillbilly trailer-trash no-account backwoods inner city ghetto thug.
Yup.
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posted on
04/17/2010 7:26:55 PM PDT
by
LongElegantLegs
( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
To: kanawa
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posted on
04/17/2010 7:27:21 PM PDT
by
LongElegantLegs
( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
To: LongElegantLegs
Funniest stream of obvious incongruities posted, *ever*.
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posted on
04/17/2010 10:01:46 PM PDT
by
Salamander
(Peter Steele of Type O Negative......1/4/1961-4/14/2010...RIP, Green Man....)
To: LongElegantLegs
Funny how the “attack dog trainer expert” never came back with stats refuting canine cervical damage caused by “nice, pretty” collars, isn’t it?
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posted on
04/17/2010 10:04:21 PM PDT
by
Salamander
(Peter Steele of Type O Negative......1/4/1961-4/14/2010...RIP, Green Man....)
To: Salamander
But I think I’ve been called every one, at various times, on these threads...
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posted on
04/17/2010 10:23:39 PM PDT
by
LongElegantLegs
( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
To: Salamander
Maybe he’s busy controlling stock dogs from half a mile away.
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posted on
04/17/2010 10:38:37 PM PDT
by
LongElegantLegs
( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
To: LongElegantLegs
Nope right here. Because of what we do there are times we are out in public with our pups or training around large groups of people. That is exactly what we were doing today.
On the cervical damage I call BS, show me the data. Right now it is my position that I can not refute something that does not exist.
As for your comments about working stock dogs at extended distances. In Scotland, Ireland, and Australia, it is done each and every day. If you want to play with the big boys and get top dollar for your dogs then they have to be able to preform in this league. http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/border-collie-nia-2-working-sheep/63953459a0f3707a51c063953459a0f3707a51c0-1675554521891 Take a look at the first dog. Listen to the whistles. Every move is under the handlers control. This dog will work like this as far away as she can hear the whistle. The problem with many dog owners is they have no idea what a smart dog can do. I've seen many stock dog trials where the first dog would not even be in the top 10. There is a succession of videos and even one where they show someone starting a Kelpie. Take a few minutes to see what these dogs can do. It is done every day.
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posted on
04/18/2010 2:16:19 AM PDT
by
oldenuff2no
(Proud vet)
To: LongElegantLegs
Hell, I got called a liberal NYC Yankee city-slicker this past week.
[naa if’n ‘at doan jes beat awl].....;D
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posted on
04/18/2010 3:02:49 AM PDT
by
Salamander
(Peter Steele of Type O Negative......1/4/1961-4/14/2010...RIP, Green Man....)
To: LongElegantLegs
Maybe if they were trained better, he could get a might closer to ‘em....:)
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posted on
04/18/2010 3:04:15 AM PDT
by
Salamander
(Peter Steele of Type O Negative......1/4/1961-4/14/2010...RIP, Green Man....)
To: oldenuff2no; LongElegantLegs; shibumi; kanawa; Slings and Arrows
Duh.
We *know* about herding dog trials.
Personally, I watch them on the animal/nature channels every chance I get.
*Wonderful* displays of animal/human partnership.
My grandparents just used “all purpose” Collies on their live stock.
Just a *few minutes* spent on Google turned up these sites on collars and cervical damage:
http://www.neilsnet.com/archives/collars/collars.shtml
http://www.doganswers.com/collars.htm
http://www.dogbreedz.com/dog_articles/dogarticle/dog_neck_spine.htm
I could post tons more but these should get my point across.
Frankly, being such a “training expert”, I’m surprised that you were not already aware of the severe damage being done to your dogs, depending on the type of collar you may be using.
So....what types *are* you using?
[I use the “horrible medieval torture device” which ~won’t~ harm my dog, myself]
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posted on
04/18/2010 3:25:41 AM PDT
by
Salamander
(Peter Steele of Type O Negative......1/4/1961-4/14/2010...RIP, Green Man....)
To: JoeProBono; Chet 99
![](http://babyboomeradvisorclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/dawn%20brancheau.jpg)
Remember me?
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posted on
04/18/2010 3:38:03 AM PDT
by
Fresh Wind
("...a whip of political correctness strangles their voice"-Vaclav Klaus on GW skeptics)
To: oldenuff2no; LongElegantLegs
"What I see is the pit bulls pulling their owners down the street and I have to wonder which is more stupid. The dog because it isn't smart enough to do what it needs to do or the owner who actually believes it is them who is in control."
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posted on
04/18/2010 6:10:19 AM PDT
by
JoeProBono
(A closed mouth gathers no feet)
To: oldenuff2no
I mentioned it because the specificity of your boasting amused me; I'm aware of what can be achieved with herding dogs. I'm still wondering if you consider bad training to be a uniquely pitbull fault, because of this quote:
I have to wonder which is more stupid. The dog because it isn't smart enough to do what it needs to do
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posted on
04/18/2010 7:56:07 AM PDT
by
LongElegantLegs
( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
To: JoeProBono
You just don’t give a senior citizen a Bouvier.
You just don’t.
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posted on
04/18/2010 8:04:53 AM PDT
by
Salamander
(Hold onto to all your fears 'cuz when I get outta here....vengeance is mine, mine, mine!)
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