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John Wright
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Waitaminnit. Didn’t Der Spiegel post some drivel that if the world didn’t pass Crap and Tax that the oceans would start boiling a few months back?
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Climatedepot headline of the article:
http://www.climatedepot.com/
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Der Spiegel: 'An Entire Branch of Science in Crisis': 'IPCC has experienced a dramatic fall from grace...more and more mistakes, evidence of sloppy work and exaggerations'
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
An observation I would like to pick out regarding chapter four, where professor Storch says the following:
"German climatologist Hans von Storch now wants to see an independent institution recalculate the temperature curve, and he even suggests that the skeptics be involved in the project. He points out, however, that processing the data will take several years.
"There is no other way to regain the trust that has been lost," he says, "even if I'm certain that the new curve will not look significantly different from the old one."
And if it does? "That would definitely be the worst-case scenario for climatology. We would have to start all over again."
BINGO!
This is the problem with this whole gang Storch has been a frigen part of for many years.... They can only believe the earth is warming due to AGW theories.... The clowns supposedly deeply involved in all facets of scientific endeavor as part of what is known as climatology cannot for some reason accept the fact the earth may simply cool and warm based on natural phenomena.. Here lies their fundamental problem.
18 posted on
04/03/2010 7:02:04 PM PDT by
Marine_Uncle
(Honor must be earned....)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
If the most current projections hold true and we are in for about twenty to thirty years of global cooling.... Storch and his gang will see just how tough it gets when one experiences ever longer cold autumns, snows, cold rains, dense fog in European coastal areas and interiors... then prolonged cold often very snowy and vicious cold snaps lasting weeks and greater on end....followed by what they consider abnormal cold springs... hardly any real prolonged heat waves during shortened summers...come to past.
He and others most probably already secretly understand the possibilities of this coming to past. They just cannot let their national newspapers get carried away....
By the way. If Storch according to the article is a primary contributor to the current climate models then he should be in the witness stand alongside Jones, Hanson and a host of others for not being to bright in the reality of things.
And quite frankly I am a bit saddened that it may be remotely possible many of them did want to present good modeling techniques within their sphere of knowledge.
But as we have found in recent times... even the best modeling along the lines most of them most probably have followed is simply not sufficient to take in the very complicated set of conditions. Very complicated stuff. And it has nothing to do in a given degree to the total power of a given super computer to crank out realistic information.
One could let a given system run for a year making sure it never crashed ..... the problem is they simply are not feeding in the correct data into a set of robust (accurate) models that actually can model a closer to accurate scenario of how the total atmosphere and ocean/land mass operate regarding warming/cooling.
They all would had been better off admitting we are many years away at best at reaching some level of modeling that really could be potentially relied on to forecast future climate/weather changes, assuming to a degree more accurate and honest temperature (and other measurements) would be forced on the whole to provide more accurate raw data.
But no. They continue to be what I would describe as horse's asses.
19 posted on
04/03/2010 7:47:03 PM PDT by
Marine_Uncle
(Honor must be earned....)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
There are 10,000 lies told by just as many scientists and reporters that are really activists.
They are at least acknowledging there is a problem, but they can’t dig themselves out from the mountain of lies they are under.
They still think that global warming is beyond dispute, but it may not be as disastrous as the alarmists say.
They go on and on about their little climate models as if they can predict anything and if they could, it would actually qualify as scientific evidence.
Nice try Spiegal, but you’re going to have to work a little harder than that.
The snake pit they’ve fallen into is deeper than they want to admit, it’s already partly consumed them.
20 posted on
04/03/2010 8:11:23 PM PDT by
Brett66
(Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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This: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,druck-686697,00.html gives you the printable version of all eight parts.