We were speaking in context about Lincoln, so I offered up information about Lincoln. Dragging Jefferson into the mix changes nothing about Lincoln.
Indeed, some of the Founders were slave owners and, themselves, could be judged white supremacists. That does not change the fact that Lincoln held little regard for the people he emancipated, nor does it change the reasons for the EP. He held little regard for a great many things, including the sovereignty of our several states and the rights of states to dissolve the compact into which they had entered voluntarily, namely the Union. Lincoln overlooked the fact that the federal government derives authority from the states and from the people thereof.
Dragging the Founders into the discussion does not change the fact that the Civil War was not fought over the injustice of slavery as an institution. Dragging Jefferson out for discussion does not deflect us from the fact that the South was goaded into a war as an excuse for the Union to invade the CSA to reclaim what the North regarded as “theirs.” Northern states were easily brought onboard the war drive by citing (erroneously) that all Southerners were slave owners whose industry undercut prices in the North, thereby affecting the economies of those states. Historically speaking, Northerners didn’t much care for free blacks, either, and they certainly did not want an influx of former slaves taking jobs from white Northerners.
Let’s talk about current events. Which part of the country more strongly champions the People’s concerns over runaway federal power? The states who allied with the Union, like New York, Massachusetts, and New Jersey, or the states who were part of the CSA? Whose representatives more often than not fight the accumulation of power away from the people and the states into the hands of the over-reaching federal government? Curiouser and curiouser. Perhaps the South had the right idea all along about states’ rights and individual liberty.
You can talk about states' rights all you want and sound reasonably coherent. I recommend you avoid bringing individual liberty into the mix. There's a huge elephant in the Confederacy's living room in this regard.
But does it bring Lincoln up to Jefferson's level in your eyes on that whole voluntary emigration thing? Or does it lower Jefferson to Lincoln's. Inquiring minds want to know.
That does not change the fact that Lincoln held little regard for the people he emancipated, nor does it change the reasons for the EP.
But again, if your belief that Lincoln held little regard for blacks lowers him in your eyes, then how does the fact that Lee, Davis, Jackson, et. al. held blacks in even lower esteem than Lincoln did?
He held little regard for a great many things, including the sovereignty of our several states and the rights of states to dissolve the compact into which they had entered voluntarily, namely the Union. Lincoln overlooked the fact that the federal government derives authority from the states and from the people thereof.
Making a rapid return to BS land I see.
Dragging Jefferson out for discussion does not deflect us from the fact that the South was goaded into a war as an excuse for the Union to invade the CSA to reclaim what the North regarded as “theirs.”
The ever popular "Lincoln made us do it!!!!" defense.
Northern states were easily brought onboard the war drive by citing (erroneously) that all Southerners were slave owners whose industry undercut prices in the North, thereby affecting the economies of those states.
No, they were easily brought on board by the South firing on the flag and initiating a war. Defense of one's country in the face of armed rebellion was all the motivation necessary.
Historically speaking, Northerners didn’t much care for free blacks, either, and they certainly did not want an influx of former slaves taking jobs from white Northerners.
Historically blacks fared even worse in the South and were tolerated only when they were someone's property. So please don't try and claim the moral high-ground in that regard.
Let’s talk about current events.
Let's remain on topic.
With quite rare exceptions, all whites at the time were white supremacists by today's standards.
The "science" of the time and too often its religion reinforced this delusion. It took an extraordinarily independent-minded man to take a different stance and stick with it.