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To: ReneeLynn
"It’s rather silly, when the country is in danger, to go back to the civil war. The South did not win. We ‘are’ one country. The best country on the planet. It’s useless speculation that solves nothing and sounds a bit whiney."

Actually, we are 50 sovereign states, a number of protectorates, and other territories under the umbrella of a large federation, an empire, if you will. If we were, indeed, one nation, there would be no need for individual state (as in nation-state) governments and bureaucracies; the federal government would simply administer everything. It is within our charter as sovereign states the ability to withdraw from the Union. Don't believe the bullshit you were fed in school.

Lincoln was a tyrant and a white supremacist, as can easily be gleaned from his own writings. He would not allow the Southern states to go their own way because that would diminish the power of the federal government, his government. His Emancipation Proclamation was an effort to begin an insurgency within the South as a means to force the CSA military to fight two wars. It remains an effective strategy.

Lincoln had every intention of sending freed slaves back to their land of origin, which the Nation of Islam has been demanding for years, by the way. His intention was to ship them to Liberia failing identification of the land of origin. Lincoln did not want them as slaves, true, but he also did not want them here.

41 posted on 03/15/2010 11:24:19 AM PDT by ronnyquest (That's what governments are for: to get in a man's way.)
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To: ronnyquest
If we were, indeed, one nation, there would be no need for individual state (as in nation-state) governments and bureaucracies; the federal government would simply administer everything. It is within our charter as sovereign states the ability to withdraw from the Union. Don't believe the bullshit you were fed in school.

No, much better to believe the bullshit you're trying to feed us now.

Lincoln was a tyrant and a white supremacist, as can easily be gleaned from his own writings.

OK, so if being a white supremacist makes Lincoln a bad person then shouldn't that also mean that Jefferson Davis, Robert Lee, Thomas Jackson, and any Southern leader you would care to name was also a bad person? Should we not condemn them in equal measure?

Lincoln had every intention of sending freed slaves back to their land of origin, which the Nation of Islam has been demanding for years, by the way.

Let me post a quote for you from a U.S. politician who pre-dated Lincoln by several decades:

"Amidst this prospect of evil, I am glad to see one good effect. It has brought the necessity of some plan of general emancipation & deportation more home to the minds of our people than it has ever been before. Insomuch, that our Governor has ventured to propose one to the legislature. This will probably not be acted on at this time. Nor would it be effectual; for while it proposes to devote to that object one third of the revenue of the State, it would not reach one tenth of the annual increase. My proposition would be that the holders should give up all born after a certain day, past, present, or to come, that these should be placed under the guardianship of the State, and sent at a proper age to S. Domingo. There they are willing to recieve them, & the shortness of the passage brings the deportation within the possible means of taxation aided by charitable contributions."

So what do you have to say about this person, who wanted to free slaves and ship them off to Santo Domingo? Are they an evil, vile, racist in the mold of Abraham Lincoln? Or are you going to let Thomas Jefferson slide on that whole white supremacy thing? That quote was from an 1820 letter of his to Albert Gallatin. So apparently Jefferson didn't want them as slaves, and he sure didn't want them here as well.

48 posted on 03/15/2010 11:34:40 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: ronnyquest
His intention was to ship them to Liberia failing identification of the land of origin.

Voluntary only. What is so bad about allowing this option to freed slaves? As it turned out very few were interested.

BTW, RE Lee was also a big fan of colonization. Does that make him wicked person in your eyes?

64 posted on 03/15/2010 12:10:26 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: ronnyquest
Actually, we are 50 sovereign states, a number of protectorates, and other territories under the umbrella of a large federation, an empire, if you will. If we were, indeed, one nation, there would be no need for individual state (as in nation-state) governments and bureaucracies; the federal government would simply administer everything.

If we were fifty sovereign states (plus territories and protectorates) there would be no need for a federal government and the individual states would simply administer everything.

84 posted on 03/15/2010 12:47:46 PM PDT by x
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