Posted on 03/01/2010 12:49:41 PM PST by MsLady
Ok, so I come home from wallie world today to find my census hanging on my door. I opened it knowing what I would find and answered only How many people were living or staying in this house, apartment, or mobile home on April 1, 2010?
The rest I just said many bad words to. Got flustered and decided I'd wait till the last minute to send it back. Knowing full well, that someone working for the census is probably going to come back. Probably not knowing anything about the constitution. So I want to be ready. Understanding that this person is just trying to do a job and get paid. So now that I've gotten my anger out and I'm calmer, I would like some feedback please.
By the way, in case you haven't received yours, here are the questions, minus the first one.
2. Were there any additional people staying here April 1, 2010 that you did not include in Question 1?
3. Is this house, apartment, or mobile home - x all that apply. -Children, such as newborn babies or foster children. -Relatives, such as adult children, cousins, or in-laws -Non relatives, such as roommates or live-in baby sitters -People staying here temporarily -No additional people
4. Is this house, apartment, or mobile home, x one box or all that apply. -Owned by you or someone in this household with a mortgage or loan? Include home equity loans. -Owned by you or someone in this houshold free and clear (without a mortgage or loan)? - Rented? - Occupied without payment of rent?
4. What is your telephone number? We may call if we don't understand an answer.
5. Please provide information for each person living here. Start with a person living here who owns or rents this house, apartment, or mobile home. If the owner or renter lives somewhere else, start with any adult lving h ere. This will be Person 1. What is Person 1's name?
6. What is Person 1's sex?
7. What is Person 1's age and what is Person 1's date of birth?
8. Is Person 1 of Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin?
9. What is Person 1's race?
10. Does Person 1 sometimes live or stay somewhere else? If more people were counted in Question1, continue with Person 2. You have to answer all the questions for each person living with you.
The Apostolics living in the area are going to be really happy about this one. My dad-in-laws neighbor has 23 kids.
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The italicized part has been modified by the 13th and 14th amendments. The bolded part says that the MANNER in which the census is conducted would be directed by laws passed, not the CONTENT of the census. All that is required by the Constitution is the number of persons.
The census person was just here and only asked me if I lived at this address full time and were there any others living here besides me. Then she gave me an envelope with papers of fill out and send in postal free. That was it. She was very nice and appreciative of my cooperation. That was that.
I don’t see very many Census commercials on Fox but when I switch to the channels targeting minority audiences, I see lots of census ads. Likewise, when I drive through predominantly minority areas, I see census billboards whereas when in other areas, I see none.
Just say HUMAN!
Can I count my 2 dogs, they think they are people?
9. What is Person 1’s race?
uh, Human?
And they cost about the same as a human to feed and maintain. LOL
Not “all that is required by the Constitution” - it is all that is permitted by the Constitution. The Constitution is a grant of express powers. Congress doesn’t gewt to expand them. They have the right to direct how the enumeration shall be executed and nothing more.
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What is Person 1’s race?
Human.
I dunno, The One refuses to share his long form birth certificate.
Interesting. So all other answers should be information not available....hmmmm!!!
That’s what I thought. That we are only required to answer how many people are living at the residence.
I wonder if I should ask them a question in return:”Why do you want to know?”
how to complete a census
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XtuPvwBa2U
The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.
Enshrining this invention in our Constitution marked a turning point in world history. Previously censuses had been used mainly to tax or confiscate property or to conscript youth into military service. The genius of the Founders was taking a tool of government and making it a tool of political empowerment for the governed over their government.
They accomplished that goal in 1790 and our country has every 10 years since then. And we’re about to continue that tradition in 2010. In 1954, Congress codified earlier census acts and all other statutes authorizing the decennial census as Title 13, U.S. Code. Title 13, U.S. Code, does not specify which subjects or questions are to be included in the decennial census. However, it does require the Census Bureau to notify Congress of general census subjects to be addressed 3 years before the decennial census and the actual questions to be asked 2 years before the decennial census.
Questions beyond a simple count are Constitutional
It is constitutional to include questions in the decennial census beyond those concerning a simple count of the number of people because, on numerous occasions, the courts have said the Constitution gives Congress the authority to collect statistics in the census. As early as 1870, the Supreme Court characterized as unquestionable the power of Congress to require both an enumeration and the collection of statistics in the census. The Legal Tender Cases, Tex.1870; 12 Wall., U.S., 457, 536, 20 L.Ed. 287. In 1901, a District Court said the Constitution's census clause (Art. 1, Sec. 2, Clause 3) is not limited to a headcount of the population and "does not prohibit the gathering of other statistics, if 'necessary and proper,' for the intelligent exercise of other powers enumerated in the constitution, and in such case there could be no objection to acquiring this information through the same machinery by which the population is enumerated." United States v. Moriarity, 106 F. 886, 891 (S.D.N.Y.1901).
In 2000, another District Court agreed and found that it there is no constitutional limit on collecting additional data, when necessary for governance. That court also said responses to census questions are not a violation of a citizen's right to privacy or speech. Morales v. Daley, 116 F. Supp. 2d 801, 809 and 816. (S.D. Tex. 2000). These decisions are consistent with the Supreme Court's recent description of the census as the "linchpin of the federal statistical system ... collecting data on the characteristics of individuals, households, and housing units throughout the country." Dept. of Commerce v. U.S. House of Representatives, 525 U.S. 316, 341 (1999).
Bump for home viewing.
You are only screwing your own community by not at least filling out how many people are in your home. The amount of money (albeit, your own money) that comes back to your community is dependent on this. Fill out the parts you feel comfortable with and not the others. IT IS NOT A BIG DEAL PEOPLE...
I believe not filling it out completely will result in follow up contact by a census worker, at least that’s the way it was when, as a college student needimg money, I worked for the 1980 census.
That said, I don’t relish giving out any more info than the number of folks at the address. I haven’t decided what to do yet.
"The actual Enumeration shall be made...in such Manner as they shall by Law direct."
In other words, they must count individual people to arrive at a number, but if they figure out that one way of counting works better than others, they can make law say that's how it's to be done.
I do see how they could require everyone to fill out a form; or come outside at 6:00 AM on a given day, so counters in jeeps could come by and count them; or have everyone return to the city of his birth to be registered (see Luke 2). I'm just as glad they send out forms, myself.
I don't see anything about color or bathrooms in there, so I'd be just fine with spoofing any such question.
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