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To: GranTorino
You don't get it. I have a kennel full of border collies. At 6 weeks old we put then on a flock of ducks to see how they work. If they don't work they are gone. This is what the dogs have been bred to do for the last 500 years. It is called instinct. There is no way you can take it out of them, You can modify the instinct but it is there from the day they are born until the day they die.
Pits have been bred to bite and fight for the last 500 years. It is also instinct. It is there the day they are born and will be there the day they die.
This is not a nurture thing, it is a nature thing.
The numbers I use are very valid. I gave you those sites so you could get a look at some relevant statistics. The US department of health has all the current statistics and they are readily available. What you want me to believe is that you know how to overcome mother nature and bred in instinct. The Statistics and a pile of dead kids say something totally different. Let me put the ball in your court. Show me good scientific data that concludes that this breed is as gentile as you claim.
113 posted on 02/18/2010 3:17:11 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: oldenuff2no
Explain what you see in this report on fatal dog attacks...

pdf file

114 posted on 02/19/2010 3:53:29 AM PST by kanawa
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To: oldenuff2no
Pits are not, repeat NOT vicious by nature. The error with this dog is it's powerful jaws. If it chooses to use them on a person, it will indeed cause damages every time..

I can't say that I would ever own one because I still have smallish grand kids, but I have certainly been around them and find them no different then any other dog in so far as their personality traits.

Having said that, I understand those who fear this animal. I also understand the reasons for numerous communities who have outright banned the ownership of these dogs.

The problems with the pit bull are all linked to the people who own them, and you can't force a person to be a responsible owner anymore then you can get them to take their vote seriously as in the case of Obama.

People being what they are, and in the interest of public safety, I will leave this matter to the local communities to either outright ban the ownership of the animal, or not.

But it's not the dog! The dog is not responsible for it's design and it's strength.

116 posted on 02/19/2010 4:16:17 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: oldenuff2no; solosmoke
I gave you info in my last post.
You have obviously never had any hands on experience with APBTs.
When I got my first APBT I lived on a farm. I trained my dog well one of her duties on the farm was to get rid of groundhogs. She killed 16 in one year. Many more than I did with my gun.
When I got married we moved to a five acre lot. My wife owned a APBT also so now we had two(it is the reason we met).
We bought 15 ducks for Easter one year. We turned the ducks out into the yard/pond. It took about 15 minuets for the dogs to adjust. After this they never went after a duck. In fact they would chase the dog that had killed 16 groundhogs around, biting at her tail. she would eventually retreat to the house.
In the end a Sheppard that lived next door got lose when we were away and killed the one duck we had kept as a pet and not sold.
Throw around all the “statistics” you want. I have first hand, hands on knowledge.
Your the one who” don't get it”
Your time would be better spent promoting constructive solutions like cleaning up bad neighborhoods and promoting responsible dog ownership.
118 posted on 02/19/2010 6:46:00 AM PST by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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