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To: Secret Agent Man

“And I wil lsay you also sidestepped the question if he was killed unjustly.”

Yes as distasteful as that is. At what point are we going to ignore the govt and mete out our own individual justice as we see fit. If we say we are against abortion because of Gods law then can we discard Gods law to meet out our own retribution? I don’t know the answer to that.

We are commanded to abide by our government. If our govt is not following Gods law it is our own fault.

This abortionist was an evil man who killed tens of thousands of babies, of that there is no doubt. The left has done an incredible job of turning people like that into heros. We, as a group, have allowed that to occur and to continue.


30 posted on 02/10/2010 12:43:52 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

So we’re all doing nothing and it’s our fault Tiller was doing what he did, yet you say we’d be in the wrong to mete out the proper justice this baby murderer deserved. The one guy you’re against actually did do something to deal with this one specific problem, while all of us did nothing, and yet he’s condemned.

Would you not say he stopped a great evil from operating in this country, and continuing to operate (because Tiller had no intention to stop doing what he was doing)? The government may call what he did murder, but Tiller didn’t wasn’t killed without a just cause.

This is how messed up the government is and how wrapped up Christians are to believing we always have to respect and obey government all the time. Martin Luther hid from government when such lawful government (Holy Roman Empire) declared him an outlaw and put a price on his head. The guy whose castle he holed up in for about a year hid him from the authorities, was this wrong?

today we’re so messed up I can see we’re heading down the same road that the Christians in Nazi Germany were on, they were preached the ‘submmission to authority’ part of Paul out of context as well. The bottom line is you obey the government when possible, but if their laws make you violate your beliefs, or the laws are inherently unbiblical and unjust, you must ignore them. And also if you do you must be ready to face whatever consequences (like this man currently is facing). Now there’s no mandate to say we all have to go out and kill baby butchers, that it’s a moral obligation for all of us, but in this instance the guy believed stopping a clear moral evil that the government was doing nothing about (in fact encouraging) he would do something about. He’s taking the consequences. He will have a chance to make his case.

The bottom line is this. If Tiller was about to kill a 1 week old baby in front of you, you could use up to the same level of force (lethal) to stop him. Let’s say you do and he dies. You’re a hero. But instead he kills thousands of babies that are viable if they could be born, because you’re a person before you’re born, and this guy stops the threat. But because of arbitrary legal definitions and laws he’s not the good guy in this scenario. And you say we have to listen to government - that their law is higher than God’s law. It’s clear in both scenarios Tiller is committing murder. To execute a murderer who says he’s going to keep on doing his government-sanctioned murders is justice. Tiller had dozens of people over the years attempt to talk to him to stop doing what he was doing, it wasn’t like he didn’t have DECADES to repent and stop and avoid a grisly yet IMO unsurprising end. God’s word also says that he who spills innocent blood, that their blood shall be required of them. He that lives by the sword shall die by the sword. His whole lifestyle revolved around him being the murderer of babies. Everything he bought, every gift he gave someone, every piece of clothing and every vehicle and house he had, was paid for with the blood of children he murdered.

I am sad he didn’t repent. I am sad that his family miss him. He was hardened though, he had every intention to continue. I am not said someone killed him. I am happy he is not around to murder any more children.


35 posted on 02/10/2010 1:57:07 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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