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Toyota recalls: Deeper engineering implications - cars are too complicated?
eetimes ^ | 02/09/2010

Posted on 02/09/2010 3:49:38 PM PST by JoeProBono

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To: JoeProBono
severe outliers, residing on the edges of that Gaussian curve

The problem with brakes on Prius is not rare; in fact, it is perfectly repeatable. I don't have access to a 2010, but I was driving a 2005 today, in rain, and sure enough the brakes "switched off" a couple of times on bumps. However harmless it may be, it's not hard to replicate. Toyota engineers just declared the effect non-threatening and swept it under the rug. Technically they are right; but psychologically it may be jarring, especially if you rented the car and aren't familiar with its quirks.

21 posted on 02/09/2010 4:56:30 PM PST by Greysard
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To: JoeProBono

From American cars to Japanese eggs in about 50 years.


22 posted on 02/09/2010 5:12:30 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Tallguy

It’s the Chicago way. They are going after the biggest transplant. The liberal media is way overboard in attacking Toyota. It shows there is an agenda. GM and Chrysler are dead over finished. You could pump $100 billion into them and it would not help. 200,000 UAW workers will eventually need jobs when they both finally get cut off. The UAW workers will need high paying jobs making vehicles badly. Ford is not going to hire them. Where are they going to get jobs?

It is probably a two prong strategy. Hurt Toyo to help GM and Chrysler which will not work. Plan B is harm Toyo in a big way and intimidate the others into letting the factories organize (aka unionize or ELSE).


23 posted on 02/09/2010 5:13:50 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Chi-townChief
What?


24 posted on 02/09/2010 5:20:00 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Frantzie

This is not about Toyota’s engineering. This is about getting UAW workers from dead GM and Chrysler into Toyota’s non-union (transplant) factories in the USA. This is about the UAW getting in ALL the transplant factories - Nissan, Honda, BMW, Hyundai, etc etc.””

My wife and I were discussing this very issue 5 minutes ago.


25 posted on 02/09/2010 5:28:35 PM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Freedom's Precious Metals: Gold, Silver and Lead))
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To: Raider Sam

Go back to carburetors and purely mechanical engines...they sound better” Not to mention these cars won’t become a hunk of useless junk with the first EMP wave that hits.


26 posted on 02/09/2010 5:31:36 PM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Freedom's Precious Metals: Gold, Silver and Lead))
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27 posted on 02/09/2010 5:41:52 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Frantzie
Why do you shill for a foreign country?

I wonder how many military dead are turning over in their graves on the islands in the Pacific?

Do you not even give those people a second thought?

Shameful, just shameful.

28 posted on 02/09/2010 5:53:57 PM PST by grand wazoo
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To: grand wazoo

I do not shill for a foreign country - idiot. I drive a Ford. I don’t even like Toyota or Lexuses cause Lexus owners are idiots. I think this is all a UAW/Obama put up job to get UAW workers in non-union factories. Why? The GM and Chrysler workers will be unemployed if we get a free market back.

I did not dislike Chrysler or GM but once Obama turned control over to the UAW - both of them were dead - gone history. Just like how the unions killed Eastern Airlines and other companies.

I don’t like Toyota but while you are talking about dead veterans turning over in their graves - they fought against Nazi and Mussolini socialist fascists. Hilter bullied and threatened companies just like Obama is doing. People are so naive. The news media is in on this as well. I do not like Toyota but they don’t make dangerous cars. For better or worse - Toyota employs a lot of Americans. The UAW killed GM and Chrysler not Toyota.


29 posted on 02/09/2010 6:32:25 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: bwc2221

Give us some facts. I do not like their cars or Lexuses but the media and Obama’s goons are on this too much with the UAW lurking in the background. We know of one major accident. This also sound slike the old Audi situation where the brakes could easily stop Audis back then that put out max 200 bhp.

I am very happy with my Ford and have also owned Hondas and BMW. Toyotas and Lexuses are just overrated and often driven by self absorbed idiots.


30 posted on 02/09/2010 6:37:47 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Frantzie

Prozac


31 posted on 02/09/2010 6:39:33 PM PST by grand wazoo
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To: grand wazoo

You take Prozac? Sad. Get well Grandpa.


32 posted on 02/09/2010 6:41:09 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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(s)but tort reform would fix all these problems!!!!(/s)


33 posted on 02/09/2010 6:41:46 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Frantzie
You take Prozac?

You should.

Anyone that believes the second largest automobile manufacturer in the world is "dead, over, finished" should be on some kind of medication.

34 posted on 02/09/2010 6:45:37 PM PST by grand wazoo
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To: JoeProBono
Something doesn't compute here... but the sticking-accelerator problem has nothing to do with electronics; it's a mechanical problem with a mechanical solution I thought it was a drive by wire system?
35 posted on 02/09/2010 7:50:21 PM PST by tubebender (Thanks to all the Patriots who support Free Republic financially...)
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To: Frantzie


Hurt Toyo to help GM and Chrysler which will not work. Plan B is
harm Toyo in a big way and intimidate the others into letting the
factories organize (aka unionize or ELSE).

Until an experience with GM/Chevrolet about 2 years ago, along with
the bailout of GM and Chrysler...I would have laughed at your premise.

But about two years ago, my dear old mother took her 2001 Malibu
(with about 20,000 miles) into our local Chevy dealer for routine service.
The lady at the Chevy garage informed my kindly mother that “You need
to have the lower manifold gasket replaced. That will be $1000 or so.”

I’ve never seen my mom get very angry...but she just about exploded on
this Government Motors drone.

My mom said “I’ll have to think about it.”

I spent an evening or two on the Internet and learned that GM had
created their own collosal Cluster-F—k...they’d said their Dexcool coolant
would last 150,000 miles...but learned after a few years that the
lower intake manifold gasket was failing in a fair number of their cars.

Did they issue a recall?
Like Toyota?

H-LL NO.

Instead they buried the truth until someone in Canada started a
class-action lawsuit over all the FRIED engines that resulted from
GM’s F——upd engineering prowess.

When my mom showed up to the same Chevy service drone, she layed out
some of the stuff I garnered from the internet.
Suddenly, the cost of the repair was $700, not $1000.

Despite that modest admission of fault, this family will NEVER own
a Government Motors vehicle again.

Well, at least not as long as I breath.

As for the class-action suits...my mom’s 2001 Malibu is too old
to fall in the vehicles covered by the class-action suits so far.

PS: My mom fretted for awhile about getting a new car...
and bought a 2008 Toyota Corolla.
Flawless and hasn’t had a single problem in 2 years of harsh Mid-
Missouri summers and winters.


36 posted on 02/09/2010 7:59:18 PM PST by VOA
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I have no love or hate for Toyo. The tipoff - besides I know how evil the UAW is, is the media pounding Toyota relentlessly.

They get their marching orders from the DNC. Half hour beat up on Toyota. The other half hour beat up on Sarah Palin. They are so predictable.

The lib media did the same sh*t to GM execs about them being greedy. Then they did it to the GM bondholders. Laughable how the GM execs flew on orp jets while Pelosi has a fleet of Air Force corporate jets available to fly her kids and grandkids anywhere and everywhere.

I personally like Fords now. Pretty much whomever the liberal media is bashing - is the victim or my ally. Palin (though she is to chummy with McCain), Bush (dropped him after amnesty but the blame Bush stuff is sickening), Toyota.

The almost lit into Scott BRown but they backed off a bit.


37 posted on 02/09/2010 8:42:07 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: JoeProBono

Joe, thank you for the pic. Can you put that think on my car or truck probono? Neo


38 posted on 02/10/2010 7:24:50 AM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Freedom's Precious Metals: Gold, Silver and Lead))
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