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To: OneWingedShark; Katya

I was impressed with the video analysis because it wasn’t commenting on Lady Gaga’s sensual dance moves...that’s something shared by virtually all entertainers (though the standards become looser with time obviously)...but the specific spiritual symbols with blatant occultic implications: crucifixes with occultic references underneath, egyptian cats, ram’s heads, the bath house setting, etc...

The whole premise of the video’s narrative consists of the battle between good and evil, with evil winning out. The “pure and innocent” Lady Gaga (dressed in white) gets force-fed vodka-potion by fallen angels and enters the “bad side” (she then dresses in black) wins out...

And that’s just the beginning. The video was rich with symbolism and other references. Not your average pop video.


37 posted on 01/31/2010 4:10:43 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege ("When I survey the wondrous cross...")
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

And how do you know this person’s interpretation is the “right” one? Could it not, as a poster suggested above, be open to different interpretations? Like poetry, literature or movies, different points of view of readers/viewers should be encouraged and expected. Maybe Lady GaGa’s (and I’m not a fan) reason for doing this was just to see how many people she could throw into a tizzy.

Cindie


38 posted on 01/31/2010 4:15:51 PM PST by gardencatz (Proud mom US Marine! It can't always be someone else's son.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

>And that’s just the beginning. The video was rich with symbolism and other references.

I never said it didn’t have ANY symbolism; but there are some more I flatly disagree with:

The fire in the video was attributed to passion (esp. sexual) with the inference that the “selling her soul” [to the devil] is the reason there’s no body in the final shot; however there IS a body. It is the charred skeleton of whomever ‘won’ her, and if you remember around the time of the fire she was saying something along the lines of “I’m my own bitch.”

So, given the above the symbolism in question seems to be saying “I’m not about to be anyone’s property”/”I am self-deterministic”/”My will is my own.” {Biblically arguing against free will is hard, even impossible given that if there was no free-will God could not be Just and still punish us for sinning; as James says we sin when we are drawn away by lust, and when lust is conceived it brings sin.}

But back to the symbolism; given in the video is one of sight being related to innocent & sinful; with ‘blind’ being equated to trusting/obeying God. If that were accurate and consistent however, the ‘innocent’ in the bath-tub should have been completely blind. Furthermore, biblically speaking, blindness is associated with being spiritually lost or willfully ignorant where as ‘sight’ is associated with understanding (and even more generally relationship with God).

As for the cat/goat/crucifix thing I am of the opinion that they are relatively harmless props, much like the costumes. (Tasteful and/or appropriate is another debate.)

Then there is the question of how much of the video is hers [Lady Gaga] vs. others’s [director/publicist/producer, etc]; I have no idea how much control pop-stars have over their music videos and suspect that it varies greatly.


46 posted on 01/31/2010 6:48:38 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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