Posted on 01/14/2010 4:21:50 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
Well we've found the perfect ticket to oppose President Obama in the next election. In the horrifying wake of the news from Haiti we have no less authorities than Pat and Rush explaining what its all about. Their insights are a perfect match for a new America.
First my fellow clergyman Pat Robertson. In a televised interview he explained the cause of the earthquake. Forget sciences like geology, forget fault lines and tectonic plates. The earthquake occurred because according to Mr. Robertson "the people of Haiti made a pact with the devil." Evidently Pat's history books include a couple footnotes the rest of us missed. In an effort to overthrow the French, the Haitian people made a pact with the devil and they've been paying for it ever since. Wow Pat.
I think old Pat was making some reference to voodoo, an indigenous religion that drifted across the sea with the settlers of Haiti. Forget the fact that a little over 80% of Haitians identify themselves as Roman Catholic which, last time I checked fell into the Christian category. But those pesky Haitians can't fool God. The God of vengence continues to visit wrath upon the Haitians but hey, its their fault. They had it coming to them.
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Well...I’ll leave the voodoo thing up to God. (Don’t forget the first commandment.)
Not saying he’s wrong, but Rush does tend to politicize everything.
Pat Robertson is senile.
Rush was making a joke. “saying Obama needed to ‘boost his credibility among blacks” as the AP story put it, should be a clue to anyone with a tenth of a brain that it was satire.
Rev. Wright comes to mind
Pat Robertson DID NOT single out the earthquake as God’s wrath but speaking about the ‘proof being in the pudding’ - of a country it’s culture and traditions being condemned and all linked to it’s past.
“”Forget the fact that a little over 80% of Haitians identify themselves as Roman Catholic which, last time I checked fell into the Christian category. But those pesky Haitians can’t fool God. The God of vengence continues to visit wrath upon the Haitians but hey, its their fault. They had it coming to them.””
2 Peter 2
False Teachers and Their Destruction
1But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings; yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
THE CENTER FOR BLACK STUDIES UCSB
“The imposition of European values and Catholicism took many forms. These interdictions and measures which continued throughout Haiti’s history and the clandestine nature of Vodou ceremonies which thus resulted, led to the revalorization of the very African cultural values that both Westerners and the Haitian elite had tried to suppress. The reality is that these various forms of systematic attempts of assimilation and acculturation of the Haitian people did not destroy our national religion which remains omnipresent, pervasive, strong and continues to perform important functions in all aspects of Haiti’s social life. The Haitian ancestral religion represents a key element of Haitian consciousness and provides moral coherence through common cosmological understandings. The principles outlined here constitute some of the core moral values emphasized in the Haitian worldview. Vodou offers a particular ethical orientation grounded in both an African ontological conception of life and the Haitian realities—ecological, linguistic, economic, social and political.” http://research.ucsb.edu/cbs/projects/divinehaiti.html
The majority of the Africans who were brought as slaves to Haiti were from Western and Central Africa. The Vodun practitioners brought over and enslaved in the United States primarily descend from the Ewe, Anlo-Ewe, and other West African groups.[citation needed] The survival of the belief systems in the New World is remarkable, although the traditions have changed with time and have even taken on some Catholic forms of worship.[1] Two important factors, however, characterize the uniqueness of Haitian Vodou as compared to African Vodun; the transplanted Africans of Haiti, similar to those of Cuba and Brazil, were obliged to disguise their loa (sometimes spelled lwa) or spirits as Roman Catholic saints, an element of a process called **syncretism.**
Roman Catholicism was mixed into the religion to hide their “pagan” religion from their masters, who had forbidden them to practice it. Thus, Haitian Vodou has roots in several West African religions, and incorporates some Roman Catholic and Arawak Amerindian influences. It is common for Haitians followers of the Vodou religion to integrate Roman Catholic practices by including Catholic prayers in Vodou worship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Vodou#cite_ref-name_0-1
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:11-13.
There is the reported thing with the leaders’ original pact with satan to free them from the French . . .
There’s also the fact that even though so many claim to be RC’s at least 50% of them also believe and practice voodoo.
Such things have terrible consequences.
Denying it and pretending otherwise is not good reality testing.
“And when I saw police and firemen and first responders and search dogs lined up at airports in a moment’s notice it made be proud to be American. It is something we do as well as any people on the planet. When the President said we’re going now and we’re completely commited I thought he spoke for almost anyone who has known the weight of human tragedy, and the spirit of compassion that makes us a better nation. But, evidently others feel differently. I don’t know how many people Mssrs. Limbaugh and Robertson speak for but maybe they should find out. Maybe their world view can change the way America responds to neighbors and nations.”
Re: “spirit of compassion” Someone should inform DrJ that Robertson’s Operation Blessing was there long before the erathquake.
Since it is down in their neighborhood and since Haiti’s philospohy matches theirs so well, why don’t we let Cuba and Venezuela pick this one up?
Oh, and this WILL be politicized by obama, the script is already written.
I don’t suppose it matters that this isn’t what he said.
You could listen to the broadcast and hear what CBN had to say.
It was a long report on the aid that was being mobilized for Haiti, talking about aid workers already there on the ground in the country, talking to some of the ministries pulling stuff together to go in. The remark about Haiti’s founding was one line out of an entire report; he was comparing Haiti’s tragic history and tragic condition to Dominican Republic, right next door, with lots of problems of its own but by comparison far happier and far more prosperous. And indeed, Haitians do escape into DR when they get the chance for a better life.
Haiti was in tragic condition throughout the two hundred years since its birth, for sure up until the death of Duvalier Senior and even up until today.
There is a relationship between freedom, prosperity, and rule of law. A country ruled by a murder cult has no chance.
quoting:
“Haitians are 80 per cent Catholic and – so they say – 100 per cent Vodouist. Vodou (from the Dahomean vodu, “spirit” or “deity”) is a peaceable New World religion that marries elements of Catholicism with the rites and rituals of ancestral Africa... When a Haitian is possessed by a loa (spirit) he is taken out of himself and transformed. At night, Port-au-Prince is now said to flicker with candles, as swaying, homeless Haitians offer prayers to the loas in hope of deliverance...”
end quote.
Haiti is only nominally catholic. A country based upon demon possession has no chance. I have no doubt that there are many devout Christians there but a large part of the country has been caught up in voudou for two hundred years, including its ruling class, at least until the fall of the Duvalier family. Aristide sounded like he was cut from the same cloth.
Its history from its founding until relatively recently is a horrorshow. Someone who has been there lately could tell us if it is still the same; but its worth noting that we have UN troops there keeping the place from tearing itself apart... and thats prior to the earthquake.
My understanding of the realities there finds no quibble with any of your assertions.
Thanks.
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