Told them I am just asking around.
Anyway, they say they are christians but, and here is the big but, they are they only ones how belong to the one true church.
Never could get clarification on my going to hell for availing myself of an apostasy religion as Joseph Smith said.
Only answer I got was never an affirmation that I am a believer in an apostasy religion but that I would be availed the opportunity, while in “Spiritual Prison” to be trained in God(not sure they meant Christ or whatever)
Also, learned that I cannot enter heaven without believing in Joseph Smith, for some reason and that had to believe in what I now the Twinity. I am sure you know what I mean.
Am I cracked or what? They just plain avoided answering the question directly when I asked about my salvation and never answered the question I asked.
Also, I guess they and the people of Tonga are Nephi’s and Lamanites, part of the lost tribe of Israel.
That Joseph Smith is some kinda archeology wizard. Apparently he came into some mummies, which just happened to have the scrolls of Abraham in them. He was given two “RoonStones” or something like that, which made it possible for him to interpret the scrolls perfectly and “Only” one time over the course of 90 days.
Really? Where are those?
Apparently a museum in New York found some scrolls, recognized them as belonging to the Mormon and they gave them to the Mormons.(Can't find anything to corroborate that fantastic story)
Man can become God as God was once man. Huh? and then the squaring of that with a Jealous God, who will have no others before me and there are no other Gods.
My head is swirling from all the info I was given today and I have to study it today.
And boy, howdy, do they get agitated and animated about their belief. I tend to think there is some fragility in their faith of their faith.
Sadly, I have engaged in the act of apostasy since my 8th birthday and only hope God will save me. /s
I was riding around with some Mormons today and they swore up and down my information is wrong.
I would be availed the opportunity, while in “Spiritual Prison” to be trained in God(not sure they meant Christ or whatever)
learned that I cannot enter heaven without believing in Joseph Smith,
Am I cracked or what?
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You are not cracked. lol.
I am a bit surprised they admitted that much.
The LDS have a unofficial policy of denying doctrines “we don’t believe that” with non members. They justify it by saying “gentiles (non members) would not understand” or “milk before meat”. Some of the doctrines are not openly taught even around members who have not yet been through the temple.
Some of the more forthright members will tell non-mormons the truth but with a caveat.
For example, when I was LDS, if a non-member who wouldn’t really know doctrines/history of the LDS had said to me “Mormons believe Jesus and Satan are brothers”. My first response (knee jerk) would have been “we don’t believe that”. But it has more to do with what they said vs. what I meant. A difference in definitions. For example: “Saved by grace” means something ENTIRELY different to Christians than it does to Mormons.
If someone who knew LDS doctrine and could back up an assertion asked me if I believed “Jesus and Satan were brothers”, I would have responded with a “Yeah...but...”.
The “Yeah, but” is that the LDS believe Jesus and Lucifer (don’t use the term Satan) are SPIRIT brothers, in the exact same way we are ALL spirit brothers and sisters. According to the LDS all spirits were born to Heavenly father and mother, this includes Lucifer and Jesus.
Because of this doctrine, Jesus (first born) is usually referred to as our “elder brother”. But technically Lucifer (second born) is our “elder brother” as well.
The LDS do not believe in a literal Hell. Therefore those who have never heard/accepted the LDS gospel will have a chance in “spirit prison” to accept Mormonism. Then it will be required that they are baptized/confirmed and had the Endowment rituals done for them here on earth. This is where the LDS temple rituals for the dead come in.
As far as accepting Joseph Smith to get into heaven, there have been some LDS prophets/leaders have taught that we must have permission of JS to get into the celestial kingdom. But the more common thinking today is that in order to get into Heaven (the Celestial Kingdom)you must accept the LDS Gospel which means, by necessity, accepting Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Restoration.
When discussing LDS doctrines with the LDS, make sure that you are familiar with differences in terminology and be very precise in your questions/statements. Be prepared to back up Christian doctrine with verses and be aware of the context of the LDS “proof” texts. Almost always, their so called “proofs” can be easily rebutted by looking at the context of the verse.
Hope this helps.
Tiki: I will be praying for your granddaughter.
That Joseph Smith is some kinda archeology wizard. Apparently he came into some mummies, which just happened to have the scrolls of Abraham in them. He was given two “RoonStones” or something like that, which made it possible for him to interpret the scrolls perfectly and “Only” one time over the course of 90 days.
Really? Where are those?
Apparently a museum in New York found some scrolls, recognized them as belonging to the Mormon and they gave them to the Mormons.(Can’t find anything to corroborate that fantastic story)
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Here is a book called “By his own hand upon papyrus” -
http://irr.org/MIT/bhoh-pt1.html
It goes into detail about the Book of Abraham.
Also here are several articles on the Book of Abraham.
http://utlm.org/topicalindexb.htm#Book%20of%20Abraham
IIRC, the “Rune stones” (urim and thummim) were with the Book of Mormon, not the Book of Abraham. By this time, JS was claiming the ability to translate on his own. The mummies were purchased and there were scrolls with them. The scrolls were lost for many years and believed to have been destroyed in the Chicago Fire. However, they were found in a NY museum and turned over to the LDS church who now has them in their possession.