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ACR statement on airport full-body scanners and radiation
American College of Radiology / American Roentgen Ray Society ^ | Jan 6, 2010 | Unknown

Posted on 01/06/2010 11:48:51 AM PST by decimon

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To: Ditto
The radiation is not the point... I feel uncomfortable giving low level government employees full nudity shots of traveling children. See the image below... the only reason the genitalia is covered is this is publicity shot.


21 posted on 01/06/2010 3:48:08 PM PST by BushCountry (We divide into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.)
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To: bvw

We are talking a picosecond(or less) pulse of exposure, like a flashbulb only much shorter duration, and not visible light. How warm would your food get if you powered on the microwave for one-trillionth of a second?

22 posted on 01/06/2010 4:18:41 PM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

Black body radiation plots at the source of the heat — the filament. Just how much sub micron energy gets past the glass of the bulb?

Also that’s not a plot of scanner output versus output at one inch from the light bulb, which would be helpful get a ballpark estimate of the risk of the Thz band.

You also mentioned florescent lights, there are a number of phosphors, and spectrums resultant. What level of Thz radiation comes out of them?


23 posted on 01/06/2010 4:47:49 PM PST by bvw
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

I’d like to know if there are somewhere in somewhat normal and longterm human places of work or living ambient levels of terahertz radiation absorbed at the skin above the level employed by the scanners.

And that applies to all parts of the body exposed to the scanners, not just the bare face and hands.

My best understanding at this time is there are no such exposed populations or studies of them. That’s just to establish a base line.


Still, since you also mentioned radon gas once before — even that there are such groups is no guarantee of safety — that is indeed what the radon scare and radon remediation efforts are all about. It may be that we do have have sub-populations of people at health risk from existing terahertz radiation source and have not yet made the connection. That was the case with radon.


24 posted on 01/06/2010 5:00:05 PM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
How much heat do you feel one inch from that incadescent?

Ever used an infrared massager? They emit in the far infrared range 4 - 1000 microns(4mm-1000mm)-just above what we are discussing. I wonder how long that method of therapy has been around?

Intrinsically safe, in my and most everyone's opinion, but to each his own.

Ah, heck. Let's just run everyone and their gear thru one of these.

Might be fun to go watch, even.

25 posted on 01/06/2010 5:45:33 PM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: BushCountry
See the image below... the only reason the genitalia is covered is this is publicity shot.

If that turns some TSA pervert on, they would be just as excited looking at the real thing. Watch out for the hospital X-Ray tech too.

26 posted on 01/06/2010 6:39:40 PM PST by Ditto (Directions for Clean Government: If they are in, vote them out. Rinse and repeat.)
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

I had a friend who designed a super-heated steam radiant heating system for a local famous theater. I will count that kind of radiant heat as “experimental” — for whatever reason it burned people at a depth in the flesh they did not feel — at least until the burn had gotten bad. That opening night was not a happy one the few days following. He turned the temperature down before they booted him.

That story in based on his retelling of it. I never bothered checking it out.


27 posted on 01/06/2010 6:56:26 PM PST by bvw
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To: Ditto

x-rays are much different (rarely full body and conducted by trained medical personal) and penetrate the skin deeper to the bone mass. These machines are designed to penetrate clothing only, will be viewed by thousands of unscreened government rent-a-cops, and are a lot more intrusive. There will be pedophiles, perverts and sickos in the this group of quickly hired rent-a-cops without a doubt.

You are comparing apples to oranges. What I find amazing is how hard we fight for the Second Amendment and are so willing to sacrifice our freedom and privacy, both of ourselves and children in the name of seemingly just cause.


28 posted on 01/06/2010 7:28:00 PM PST by BushCountry (We divide into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.)
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To: decimon

thanks, bfl


29 posted on 01/06/2010 11:04:23 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: BushCountry
I didn't compare the scanners to x-ray machines. I compared the operators to show your prudishness on this subject. (BTW. The Muslims have the same argument as you.)

There is no comparison to the 2nd amendment here. We do not have a constitutional right to get on an airplane. Reasonable precautions to prevent some lunatic from blowing that plane out of the air and killing all on board are not out of line with the constitution. If it takes a body scan, so be it.

30 posted on 01/07/2010 4:56:55 AM PST by Ditto (Directions for Clean Government: If they are in, vote them out. Rinse and repeat.)
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To: Ditto

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated...

This conversation between me and you is being stored digitally and could show up in court. Every phone call you make is logged and some recorded, every webpage you ever visited is digitally recorded, every movie you checked out or ordered is recorded, traffic cams record your movements, millions of street cameras watching your every visit to a store or work, every email and text messaged you make is stored and recorded, every financial transaction recorded, and list goes on... I guess allowing government employees to see our children nude is not a big deal after-all. We are the land of the free!


31 posted on 01/07/2010 7:00:24 AM PST by BushCountry (We divide into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.)
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To: BushCountry
I guess allowing government employees to see our children nude is not a big deal after-all.

Far better than some other government employee seeing them as a charred hunk of meat in a pile of wreckage.

32 posted on 01/07/2010 7:37:12 AM PST by Ditto (Directions for Clean Government: If they are in, vote them out. Rinse and repeat.)
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To: Ditto

Let’s just agree to disagree. We both have valid points, but disagree on the means. ;^)

Last chance to pull you over to my side using a quote:

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.


33 posted on 01/07/2010 10:33:22 AM PST by BushCountry (We divide into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.)
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To: BushCountry
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Well if air travel were an 'essential liberty,' Ben Franklin would have been correct. I'd paraphrase this way;

Those who will not take prudent precautions when faced with certain danger deserve what they get.

34 posted on 01/07/2010 12:17:49 PM PST by Ditto (Directions for Clean Government: If they are in, vote them out. Rinse and repeat.)
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To: decimon
Related thread:

New Full Body Scanners Can't Detect Liquid Explosives Properly say Experts

I think that includes powdered explosives also.

35 posted on 01/09/2010 9:55:06 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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