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Geeks Drive Girls Out of Computer Science
Live Science ^ | Dec 15, 2009 | Jeanna Bryner

Posted on 12/15/2009 2:39:33 PM PST by decimon

The stereotype of computer scientists as geeks who memorize Star Trek lines and never leave the lab may be driving women away from the field, a new study suggests.

And women can be turned off by just the physical environment, say, of a computer-science classroom or office that's strewn with objects considered "masculine geeky," such as video games and science-fiction stuff.

"When people think of computer science, the image that immediately pops into many of their minds is of the computer geek surrounded by such things as computer games, science-fiction memorabilia and junk food," said lead researcher Sapna Cheryan, an assistant professor of psychology at the University of Washington. "That stereotype doesn't appeal to many women who don't like the portrait of masculinity that it evokes."

The upshot: Women don't feel they would fit in and so steer clear of computer-science majors and jobs, the researchers say. Such avoidance could help to explain why just 22 percent of computer-science graduates are women, a percentage that has been steadily decreasing, according to 2008 data from the National

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TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Education; Society
KEYWORDS: computers; geeks; geeksquad; sexism
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To: a fool in paradise
People seem to find phones a lot less intimidating. Probably because they can just take it to the nearest store and have it fixed right away or get a new one.

Speaking of, can't wait to get my Droid next month.

41 posted on 12/15/2009 3:00:30 PM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: thefactor

Btw, if I get the chance, I’m headed back to AZ.

If you have a chance to relocate to AZ, I recommend it. I found the people to be very friendly and decent.


42 posted on 12/15/2009 3:01:36 PM PST by stylin_geek (Greed and envy is used by our political class to exploit the rich and poor.)
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To: stylin_geek
People in my profession (police officer) make a lot less in other cities, but cost of living in incomparable. The average cost of a small studio apartment near me is around $450,000.

Needless to say, I rent. I just wish I didn't love the city so much. But I'm outta here when I retire!

43 posted on 12/15/2009 3:03:10 PM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: OpusatFR
Not one Caucasian girl in the classes.

As Sheriff Bart famously asked in Blazing Saddles: "Hey, where are the white women at?"

44 posted on 12/15/2009 3:03:48 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Gore is the fifth horseman of the apocalypse. He rides an icy horse bringing cold wherever he goes.)
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To: Black Agnes

Humor ping!


45 posted on 12/15/2009 3:03:51 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Anti-Utopian
I can tell you from personal experience that the only thing a female adds to a computer science or electronics lab is Hello Kitty stickers.

I can tell you I've seen some highly-qualified females. This one is probably smarter in computers and mathematics than most of us combined:

Xiaoyun Wang is the scientist continually finding collisions in hash routines.

And then there's this chick who published her first math paper as an undergrad. Never mind, I shouldn't post the picture I want to here. Just google up actress Danica McKellar. Straight to this subject, she's written books to try to get girls motivated in math, and even tutors them over the Internet.

46 posted on 12/15/2009 3:04:17 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Seeking the truth
This is correct........women should stay in the kitchen....barefoot and naked......isn’t that what the old saying was?

That's close. While it's supposed to be barefoot and pregnant, naked is a good first step toward that. :=)

47 posted on 12/15/2009 3:05:20 PM PST by Bob
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To: decimon

So there you have it, women are bigoted and discrimatory.


48 posted on 12/15/2009 3:05:42 PM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: decimon
...computer science is missing out on female perspectives.

Yeah, we need more female influence on, say, the Windows UI. There isn't enough eye candy in there yet. And where did that sweet little paper clip helper go?

*ducking for cover*

49 posted on 12/15/2009 3:06:39 PM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: massgopguy
The flannel shirt, the Santa Claus like beard, suspenders. Oh my God...UNIX PROGRAMMERS!


50 posted on 12/15/2009 3:07:11 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Gore is the fifth horseman of the apocalypse. He rides an icy horse bringing cold wherever he goes.)
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To: decimon

A far cry from the early days when I had three hot chicas from Mexico as coders on my team.


52 posted on 12/15/2009 3:14:09 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: JenB

Science fiction, computer games and junk food sound great to me to. I tell my horse racing friends there is not much difference in them and my sci-fi friends.


53 posted on 12/15/2009 3:14:36 PM PST by LauraJean (sometimes I win sometimes I donate to the equine benevolent society)
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To: JenB

Science fiction, computer games and junk food sound great to me to. I tell my horse racing friends there is not much difference in them and my sci-fi friends.


54 posted on 12/15/2009 3:14:46 PM PST by LauraJean (sometimes I win sometimes I donate to the equine benevolent society)
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To: The Klingon

Sorry, it was an attempt at humor with a geeky star trek line. :)

I have been a research scientist for over 35 years in the field of radio electronics and computer science. The two used together can create some amazing things. Science *is* a calling though.

In mid 1979 I bought my first TRS-80 computer and by early 1980 I had reversed engineeered all of its hardware, buss timing and software, and had created a new device that plugged into the unused ROM socket inside of the unit. It was a rom patch that allowed me to modify the Microsoft Level 2 basic that came in the TRS80 to correct a bunch of problems that it had, and also brought on new features like the First Lowercase capability on a home computer. My startup company then advertized in Byte magazine and the brand new 80-Microcomputing.

To support production demands on constructing these new modules I brought in a couple of guys and a gal. There was never any weird emotional stuff going on with fragile male egos being panicked and or threatened by genius level women telling them what to do. It was about the mission of creating a successful startup company and concentrating on the technology creation and never getting into a bunch of Emo Crap creation.


55 posted on 12/15/2009 3:16:39 PM PST by WashStateGirl
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To: derekr44
Less of a chance affirmative action will have an effect on my profession.

Well, maybe NOW it doesn't have an effect. Back in the late 70s, affirmative action in the computer industry was alive and well. Coming out of college, I got maybe one or two second interviews and one job offer. Meanwhile, the female students that I was tutoring in programming got 4 and 5 offers.

56 posted on 12/15/2009 3:17:37 PM PST by ssaftler (Elfaba-ma: The Wicked Warlock of the West)
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To: decimon

The tone of this article suggests that we need to add some pink Barbie playsets to the science fiction memorabilia. Are the women on FR as insulted as I am?


57 posted on 12/15/2009 3:20:43 PM PST by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will continue to have more relevant quality executive experience than B. Obama.)
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To: KarlInOhio

“Hey, where are the white women at?”

Not taking the advanced maths in high school or doing algorithms in college would be my guess.

My daughter-in-law is Chinese (and has a Masters in computer science). When she was in the seventh and eighth grade she was already finished with algebra, trig, and geometry and was ready for calculus.

Contrast that with my sons’ curriculum which is standard at most good high schools, 9th algebra, 10th geometry, 11th trig, 12th calculus.

Of course, my son has always been in a hurry and took all those in a couple of years by taking summer school.


58 posted on 12/15/2009 3:24:08 PM PST by OpusatFR (Tagline not State Approved. Thoughts not State Approved. Actions not State Approved)
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To: jimfree
Are the women on FR as insulted as I am?

I'll take some hormones and get back to you.

59 posted on 12/15/2009 3:25:20 PM PST by decimon
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To: decimon
I’ve never read such a stereotype laden article in my life. The ‘scientists’ conducting the experiment came with preconcieved notions straight from tv sitcom land. My hubby is a programmer and I think he is sexy. He is also an artist and a woodworker. I am an engineer and neither of us fit the ‘geeky’ stereotype, or female stereotype. (The authors also had some preconcieved notions about what women like.)
60 posted on 12/15/2009 3:25:27 PM PST by sportutegrl (I was for Sarah Palin before being for Sarah was cool.)
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