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Actually, if you had read my posts, you would have noticed that my post asking if you had seen Tiger came BEFORE your post answering. But really, this line is all that needed to be said: I usually told them “basketball”, because I ran so much that I often would skip leg routines because my legs were so big NATURALLY. If you had a proper weight lifting routine, you never would have skipped legs. It doesn't matter if your legs were already "big". The biggest muscles in your body are in your legs, and a failure to activate them through the correct exercises (squats, deadlifts) has implications on the rest of your body. Most decent strength trainers will tell you that squats and deadlifts are the most important exercises your body can do, even if your goal is a big upper body. You should read the book "Starting Strength" by Mark Rippetoe if you ever decide to lift weights again. Training six times a week, alternating push-pulling, is pretty much the definition of overtraining, so it's no wonder you weren't gaining like you could have. You needed someone to sit down with you and do a proper muscle split, only train four times a week (HIIT on off days). Again, I must say: I have pictures of myself when I graduated from boot camp in 1999. I was as much as if not more of a scarecrow as Tiger Woods when he came on tour in 1996. Since then I've put on almost 40 pounds of muscle, and tripled my big-three lifts (squats, deadlifts, bench), mostly in the last four years. All without using a single drug. It's not that difficult for guys like Tiger and myself who start out skinny and have good genes. You should see what my mom looks like and she's over 50. I think Tiger's an idiot, but implying that he's absolutely a juicer, without evidence, just because he's done what you couldn't (and he really isn't all that impressive) is nonsense.