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To: Marty62
IT IS THE OWNERS THAT MAKE A DOG DANGEROUS

Wrong!!!! These dogs have been bred for hundreds of years to bite and fight it's called instinct.
I'm a long time dog trainer. I can't train a pit bull to retrieve ducks in cold water and I can't train a wolf to chase a ball. A wolf will stand there and look at you like you are stupid and pit bulls do not like ice water.
We raise and train stock dogs now. At 6 weeks we pull a pup out of the kennels and put them on a heard of ducks. Most of them work the birds pretty well. This is with no training and almost no human interaction. They do it totally on the bred in instinct to work.
People can not make a dog have instincts or make them go away. We can train and suppress or enhance the natural instinct in a dog but we aren't God and can't put them there and we can never make them totally go away. Every pit bull owner owns an animal that has the instinct to bite and fight and that has the potential to kill. This is the first necessary realization that every pit owner needs to deal with. If this isn't done it will not be long until the breed is eliminated from most cities and counties withing our country. The owner does not make the dog dangerous but these attacks are still the owners fault. They fail to honestly deal with the dogs potential for hostility and then they fail to completely and constantly control their animal. When was the last time you heard the owner of a pitt that had just killed a kid say, "I just knew he would bite a little girl one of these days?" You will never hear that. What you do hear every time is how nice their little dog is and how he would never hurt a soul insinuating that something else must have caused the attack. WE have dogs, cattle, horses, and mules here at home. If a Pit Bulls sticks his nose on my property my 22-250 starts talking. Then I gt the backhoe and dig a hole.

24 posted on 11/28/2009 8:36:49 AM PST by oldenuff2no (I'm a VET and damn proud of it!!! I did not fight for a socialist America!!!!!!!)
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To: oldenuff2no

I am not a pit bull advocate.
My Dog of choice is a Well trained German Shepard.
And for lap dogs I prefer Lasa Apsos.
Actually I love all dogs, some more than others.


25 posted on 11/28/2009 8:46:22 AM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: oldenuff2no

I gotta laugh at the misinformation in your post. What is the name of your kennels, by the way? You want to present yourself as a expert, so lets hear a name.

“Every pit bull owner owns an animal that has the instinct to bite and fight and that has the potential to kill.”

What dog, or animal even...doesn’t have the instinct to bite or the potential to kill?

“We raise and train stock dogs now. At 6 weeks we pull a pup out of the kennels and put them on a heard of ducks. Most of them work the birds pretty well.”

So...those puppies that pass your test...they wouldn’t happen to act in an aggressive manner towards the ducks to show their suitability for working, would they? Maybe nip them a little? Because I thought you didn’t like dogs that have an “instinct to bite?” I happen to love ducks, myself. I find it totally irresponsible that you are breeding dogs specifically for the purpose of killing ducks. Imagine, taking an infant and throwing them into a cage like a gladiator...and then expecting them to prove their worth. I just wish someone would make what you like to do illegal cause I don’t like it. No innocent baby should be forced into an aggressive hunter/killer paradigm. It is barbaric is what it is.

Yeah...I care as much about the property you own as you care about the property I own. Say...those dogs that don’t pass the test...do they get drowned or just shot in the head? Or are you an irresponsible breeder who breeds inferior stock back in? Think carefully now, that’s a trick question. I’m trying to ascertain just how vicious you are, so that I may determine which laws I’d like to govern you with. So do you just murder the non-performers or do you have hundreds and hundreds of unsuitable dogs running around your place?


28 posted on 11/28/2009 8:57:00 AM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: oldenuff2no

That is not a pit Bull. It’s an American Bulldog. Two entirely different breeds. And yes it is the owner’s fault. Not to say that a particular breed isn’t more aggressive than another, but with proper obedience training and discipline MOST dogs will be sweet puppies.

Rottweilers are not bad dogs. I have owned and trained them. American Bulldogs are not bad dogs. I currently own two. The combination of lack of training and owners who just want a mean dog result in these ‘bad’ dogs. How is it, that someone like Cesar Millan can rehabilitate even the worst redzone cases if the dogs are truly the problem?


31 posted on 11/28/2009 10:58:33 AM PST by gmoore57
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