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To: Non-Sequitur
And the losers write the myths, as this post so aptly demonstrates.

Both sides write myths, as I'm sure you will quickly demonstrate.

ROTFLMAO!!!! That's like the Japanese saying that World War II consisted entirely of the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Then I must have missed something in WWII. What American base on Japanese soil did the Japanese attack after asking us many times to leave?

There were four Declarations of the Causes of Secession and they all prominently cite slavery as their reason for rebelling.

The relevant legal declarations were called "Ordinances of Secession". Every state published one. Three mention slavery as a cause - South Carolina, Mississippi, and Texas. See Ordinances of Secession of the 13 Confederate States of America

So what you're saying is that Lincoln tricked the confederacy into war and that the Southern leadership was too stupid to see through his trap? Doesn't say much about them, does it?

Lincoln said this himself. But as to who wasn't very smart -- four more states seceded after Sumter so I don't think Lincoln was very smart either.

Actually it freed all those in the areas covered by the Proclamation. It just took a while before many could take advantage of their freedom.

And what did the proclamation do for the thousands of blacks captured behind Union lines and concentrated into Benjamin Butler's "contraband camps" - where they were starved, left to die of disease, charged with vagrancy and forced to perform free labor? The Emancipation Proclamation was merely a war measure designed to disrupt the Southern economy. I believe you had something to say about myths?

Do you honestly believe the nonsense you spout? It was an army fort, not a customs house.

No it wasn't a customs house. It was the control point for Charleston Harbor. It's guns covered every ship entering or leaving. Its main use during peacetime was as a threat to any ship attempting to avoid the port authorities.

39 posted on 11/26/2009 12:44:39 PM PST by SeeSharp
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To: SeeSharp
Both sides write myths, as I'm sure you will quickly demonstrate.

I could never top the ones in the story this post is referencing no matter how hard I tried.

Then I must have missed something in WWII. What American base on Japanese soil did the Japanese attack after asking us many times to leave?

Well you did hit on the common thread between both. Both Japan and the Davis regime attacked a military base that did not belong to them, both lost their war, and both have spent much of the time since then whining about it.

The relevant legal declarations were called "Ordinances of Secession". Every state published one.

But four states published declarations on the causes leading to their secession. Their versions of the Declaration of Independence. And in all four slavery was the single most often reason mentioned.

Lincoln said this himself. But as to who wasn't very smart -- four more states seceded after Sumter so I don't think Lincoln was very smart either.

But Davis was convinced that by starting the war he'd get all 8 remaining slave states to join him. Who was more wrong?

And what did the proclamation do for the thousands of blacks captured behind Union lines and concentrated into Benjamin Butler's "contraband camps" - where they were starved, left to die of disease, charged with vagrancy and forced to perform free labor?

Hyperbole and Southron myth aside, Lincoln could only legally free the slaves being used to further the Southern rebellion. He could not touch the rest, that required an actual end to slavery. Which Lincoln accomplished with the 13th Amendment.

The Emancipation Proclamation was merely a war measure designed to disrupt the Southern economy. I believe you had something to say about myths?

True, and a highly effective one at that. What's mythical about that?

No it wasn't a customs house. It was the control point for Charleston Harbor. It's guns covered every ship entering or leaving. Its main use during peacetime was as a threat to any ship attempting to avoid the port authorities.

Again, more myth. Sumter's purpose was to defend Charleston from attack. That was also the purpose of Fort Moltrie and Castle Pinkney and every other army fort up and down the coast. The organization tasked with enforcing the tariff and limiting smuggling was the U.S. Revenue Service, the precursor to the Coast Guard.

43 posted on 11/26/2009 2:10:00 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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