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Tests: Windows PC "crapware" adds 2 minutes boot time Apps on Win 7 PCs still slow vs Apple
Electronista ^ | October 29, 2009

Posted on 11/17/2009 10:10:27 PM PST by Swordmaker

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To: tacticalogic
You don't claim that it can bog down, but that it will. I have no patience for creativity when it comes to benchmarks and performance comparisons.

That comes from being in the business of cleaning up the messes that Windows makes for its users... It's my experience that Windows WILL bog down.

81 posted on 11/19/2009 5:03:39 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker
That comes from being in the business of cleaning up the messes that Windows makes for its users...

You claim to know things about me you cannot know.

82 posted on 11/19/2009 5:04:43 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
. . .offer as proof the fact that you’re working from a Mac right now running 20 apps and don’t notice any performance degredation....a server class machine with 9 gigs of ram.

That's right at the moment... when I first posted, I was posting on my home machine... an iMac. Core 2 Duo, 27 inch, 4 GB DDR3 RAM. Not a server class machine at all. . . and I regularly run up to 20 major apps in four to five virtual screens with no noticeable performance degradation. I stand by that.

You don't run Macs so you don't have the experience to compare your PC experience to. You assume that what you are used to is the way it has to be. It doesn't. There is a reason why people who switch from Windows to Macs say "Once you go Mac, you'll never go back." That's not a slogan written by Apple or any ad agency. That was coined by switchers.

83 posted on 11/19/2009 5:09:50 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: tacticalogic
You claim to know things about me you cannot know.

What am I claiming about you? I am in the business of working on Windows computers... and Macs.

84 posted on 11/19/2009 5:11:09 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker
You don't run Macs so you don't have the experience to compare your PC experience to.

When were you at my workplace that you observed this, and how do you know what my experience is?

85 posted on 11/19/2009 5:11:48 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Swordmaker
What am I claiming about you?

You just told me what my life's work experience was, and where my opinions and thoughts about computer system performance comes from.

86 posted on 11/19/2009 5:15:47 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Swordmaker
Oh, man, don't start me. Bought a new Acer 1410 with Vista Home Premium, that had (1) Microsoft Office (the entire install) trial version, natch; (2) Several dozen games each of which had to be individually uninstalled, and yes, they were trialware; (3) SQL Server 2005 - on a netbook? I swear I'm not making it up; (4) a disk encryption program that immediately wanted to update; (5) a McAfee AV suite that shoved everything aside while it updated first its engine and then its signature file; (5) communication trialware; (6) both Acer and Microsoft registration functions; (7) at least three other packages I deleted before looking.

When I first plugged this little guy in the disk light went on solid for 45 minutes. Unbelievable. Not only did the disk encryption trialware fight with McAfee for CPU cycles, the Office and OS updates kicked in. All 80 of them. It was all set to autorun the first time you plugged the thing into the Internet. Hideous, horrible first impression.

Slicked it, jammed in 4GB of RAM, installed Win7 64-bit cleanly. The thing took off like a rocket.

Totally avoidable. They distribute a patched OS and no trialware and it never would have happened. It's a fantastic little box that was made to look bad by stupid marketeers.

Next step - solid state hard drive. Yowzuh. Stick one of those in anything you got - Mac, Linux box, Winbox, laptop or desktop - and watch it fly. Those boot times in the article? Fuggedabouddid.

87 posted on 11/19/2009 5:21:09 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Swordmaker

Let’s see what bigots we can be...I know, let’s load up a computer with “crapware” then blame slow speeds on the operating system!

Windows 7 hauls ass. It is fast, even faster than Windows XP.


88 posted on 11/19/2009 5:27:01 PM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: WVKayaker

“Successful people are the biggest users of Macintosh computers. “

That’s just one of the dumbest statements ever.


89 posted on 11/19/2009 5:28:18 PM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: zeebee
Log in time can be affected. Adding things to your dashboard is like adding things to your .profile, only slower.

The only time I need to turn off a computer is when I have to go through an airport, so I don't pay too much attention to boot times. Otherwise, I just put it to sleep and that's worked for me on Linux and Mac OS X for a decade now. My earlier Linux boxes didn't crash either, but they didn't have APM.

I've heard some of the good folks in the Linux lab at Intel have gotten boot times down to a matter of a few seconds.

90 posted on 11/19/2009 6:05:26 PM PST by altair (I want him to fail)
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To: tacticalogic
You just told me what my life's work experience was, and where my opinions and thoughts about computer system performance comes from.

No, Tactical, I told you what I have been doing. Cleaning up Windows messes... it's what my business does. It's what I've been doing, not you. It's why my experience with Windows is that Windows WILL bog down when it multitasks two or three apps... because that is what happens repeatedly with machines owned and operated by Windows users who call me to speed them back up again so they are usable again. Mac users don't have this happen.

91 posted on 11/19/2009 6:08:03 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker
No, Tactical, I told you what I have been doing. Cleaning up Windows messes... it's what my business does. It's what I've been doing, not you. It's why my experience with Windows is that Windows WILL bog down when it multitasks two or three apps... because that is what happens repeatedly with machines owned and operated by Windows users who call me to speed them back up again so they are usable again. Mac users don't have this happen.

You also told me I don't run Macs, and have no knowlege of how they behave.

Tell me, when these people call you to speed up their computers how do you accomplish that?

92 posted on 11/19/2009 6:26:10 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
You also told me I don't run Macs, and have no knowlege of how they behave.

Everything you post shows me you don't.

Tell me, when these people call you to speed up their computers how do you accomplish that?

It depends on what's wrong with it. When I leave, it's working right again, that's what matters.

93 posted on 11/19/2009 9:31:08 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Drango
I still enjoy building computers but I don't believe it's cheaper.

I agree it's hard to beat the price of a Dell on sale, but if you build your own with a really good case and power supply, you can upgrade it for many years instead of buying new Dells. In the end, I think it is cheaper. Home building also allows you to customize more fully.

94 posted on 11/19/2009 11:01:52 PM PST by SupplySider
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Go to Apple.com and configure a Mac Mini with a 2.53 GHz Core 2 Duo processor, 4 GB or RAM, 500 GB drive, the cheapest mouse, the cheapest keyboard. Live with the 8X DVD drive (only option). Price will be $1,147. Entry level, decent performance Mac Mini.

My lord, I had no idea they were that expensive. That's a lot to pay for not having to spend a couple of hours learning about your machine, and/or the feeling that you are more like the cool Mac guy than the pudgey PC guy in the commercials.

95 posted on 11/19/2009 11:12:44 PM PST by SupplySider
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To: SupplySider
My lord, I had no idea they were that expensive. That's a lot to pay for not having to spend a couple of hours learning about your machine, and/or the feeling that you are more like the cool Mac guy than the pudgey PC guy in the commercials.

Puget has fudged to get the price as high as he wants... If you are going to spend that kind of money, why not spend $52 more and buy a 3.06 Ghz intel Core 2 Duo, 4GB DDR3 SD RAM, 500GB HD iMac with a 21.5" state of the art 178º view IPS LED back lit 16:9 screen with wireless magic mouse and keyboard?

Also, a Mac Mini with the same specs as Puget built is available for only $999 if you start with the $799 Mac Mini.

96 posted on 11/19/2009 11:57:36 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker
It depends on what's wrong with it. When I leave, it's working right again, that's what matters.

Okay. You use a Mac as your personal machine, and you only work on a Windows machine when there's something wrong with it.

97 posted on 11/20/2009 3:36:01 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Swordmaker
I just put together a system at NewEgg for $940 including shipping.

Triple core AMD processor that easily clocks at 3.2 ghz, motherboard with video and with Esata outputs for fastest backups, 4 GB DDR II 1600 RAM, 500 GB hard drive with 32 MB cache and five year warranty, Blu-ray reader/DVD burner, an LG 22" widescreen LED monitor, optical mouse, keyboard, speakers, all in a very nice Antec Sonata case with a 500 watt green power supply.

I'd take that over the Mac (or the Dell) anyday!

98 posted on 11/20/2009 4:43:41 AM PST by SupplySider
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To: SupplySider

I forgot to mention, that price also includes Windows 7 Home Premium.


99 posted on 11/20/2009 4:44:24 AM PST by SupplySider
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To: SupplySider

Sorry, another correction: I meant to type DDR III, not II.


100 posted on 11/20/2009 4:45:13 AM PST by SupplySider
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