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Is Snow Leopard the new Vista?
CNet UK ^ | 11/09/2009 | By Rory Reid

Posted on 11/10/2009 1:18:17 AM PST by Swordmaker

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To: sushiman
All the problems with Snow Leopard and lack of quality control at Apple discouraged me from making the switch from PC to Apple . I was SO close , too , ready to push the ORDER button ...but read about so many people with various problems with the new iMacs on the Apple fanboy sites ...

Good move
I am liking No Leopard aka Windows 7
Apple free and saving time effort and money since 1996

41 posted on 11/10/2009 10:50:48 AM PST by dennisw (Obama -- our very own loopy, leftist god-thing.)
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To: Swordmaker

Written just in time for 10.6.2 to take care of any anomalies people may have seen. SL is noticeably quicker than Leopard and is in no way, shape or form, slightly comparable to Vista.

More MS BS peddled by the companies they pay for this propaganda.


42 posted on 11/10/2009 11:53:28 AM PST by Wright Wing
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To: o2bfree
It’s nice not having viruses any more. I haven’t had a single computer virus since I switched to Mac.

I've not had a virus in 16 years with Microsoft operating systems.

43 posted on 11/10/2009 12:00:01 PM PST by Naspino (Not creative enough to have a tagline.)
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To: Swordmaker
Windows Vista faced a huge backlash for its egregious hardware requirements. Whereas XP ran happily on anything using a 233MHz CPU, 64MB of RAM and 1.5GB of disk space,

Like h*ll it does. Maybe notepad and calculator. Try running Outlook with that configuration. "Oh, you want mail?"

44 posted on 11/10/2009 12:00:24 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
one additional reason to use the Mac has been taken away from me, with the scanner not working.

Look, you aren't making alot of sense to me? Why did you upgrade to 10.6? What is the scanner? Is it on a list of non-supported scanners? What is special about it? Is it worth downgrading to 10.5 again and wait for a scanner of the type you need to be available.. it is very easy to downgrade. New plain scanners are very inexpensive, but most folks now purchase them as part of an All-in-one printer and these are so inexpensive that they are worth upgrading on a frequent basis (once each 3 to 4 years)- I didn't have any issue with iTunes when I upgraded but we did have an issue with the Apple TV and this is resolved by upgrading the iTunes and the Apple TV needs a tweek too. You have discovered this. I just don't understand... you say you have been around the block but then you say you jumped into 10.6 and are now shocked that some things need new drivers and such. You obviously didn't go through the fiasco with 10.4 which wasn't even stable until 10.4.3 and had to be reinstalled if you upgraded to 10.4.1 because it corrupted the spelling check database.

10.5 upgrades went much smoother and I can't remember a single one that waiting to see and hear the howl go up from the users about some new unforseen bug... I just think we got spoiled with 10.5

10.6 has been pretty good so far. HP Printers all had issues right at the first and it was a complete battle on getting updated drivers in because the list supported was too small.. but now.. they have every one I need which is alot.

There is no way to run a scsi scanner any more and this has been the case for about 4 years so thats not your issue.

If you don't want hassles at all.. don't upgrade immediately.. wait for the release of 10.X.2 or 10.X.3. This is when most of the unusual stuff is cleaned up. This is why Microsoft does a period of months of a public beta to get these hard to create bugs to pop. Apple has much less in the way of issues and the early adopters find all of this crap and complain loudly and then in the 2nd or 3rd maintenance update it is mostly all cleared. Anyone who has been using a mac for a while understands this.

45 posted on 11/10/2009 12:03:56 PM PST by dalight
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To: Swordmaker
The applications affected are numerous and varied. Signature apps such as Parallels Desktop are on the blacklist, alongside Adobe Creative Suite 3 -- an app used by millions of creative types (including those at CNET Towers) to edit pictures in Photoshop, or create flashy Web content in, er, Flash.

Horse Hockey. I run Photoshop, Bridge, Flash, and Dreamweaver, ALL CS3, with no problems in Snow Leopard. My daughter has Photoshop 7 on her laptop with Snow Leopard.

46 posted on 11/10/2009 12:12:11 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Swordmaker
I've got Tiger running on three G3s. Works fine.

Well yeah, but if it takes three computers to run the OS...

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

47 posted on 11/10/2009 12:23:04 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: dalight
Who ever said it was a scsi scanner?

I simply said I had a piece of hardware that worked and when I upgraded it no longer worked. For me, the hassle and the time to get it to work again is weighed against the "benefits" brought by the new OS. I NEVER upgrade immediately, usually read if there are problems, and thus avoid them. I got bitten anyway.

Sorry, but I don't buy the crap line: "Well, just buy a new scanner. Its cheap." Microsoft tried that line when Vista destroyed functionality with peripherals and got hammered (rightly so). I don't need to buy a new peripheral each time I upgrade, and if I'm expected to, then drop the price of the computer by about 90%.

My BIGGEST beef was with the AppleTV/iTunes fiasco. There is absolutely NO excuse for Apple to screw up in that regard. They own the hardware, they own the OS. If they can't get the two to talk together without a problem, then they have serious quality control issues.

48 posted on 11/10/2009 12:26:26 PM PST by MrsEmmaPeel (a government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: Swordmaker

I got one quarter of the way through and felt like laughing hysterically. The author has no clue what he’s talking about.

Our family has one PPC G5, 1 PPC Mac Mini and one iBook G4 still running on Leopard. We have one Intel Mac Mini running on Leopard. All the other computers, 1 Macbook Mini, 3 Mac Minis, and 1 of last year’s model iMacs, all have been upgraded to Snow Leopard (Family Pack).

Snow Leopard is smaller, faster, and has taken our older Mac (Intel) machines upward in performance, and some of those Intel machines are from 2006.

Vista literally couldn’t be installed on most “stock” models of PC’s that were built the year Vista was released, let alone being installed on machines built in previous years. PC manufacturers had to “upgrade” their base specs to meet Vista’s demanding requirements, and it was a good many months before the first truly Vista ready machines were shipped.

I wonder what kind of pain killer the author takes for those bouts of painful-silly he must be prone to having.


49 posted on 11/10/2009 12:32:29 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
I simply said I had a piece of hardware that worked and when I upgraded it no longer worked. For me, the hassle and the time to get it to work again is weighed against the "benefits" brought by the new OS. I NEVER upgrade immediately, usually read if there are problems, and thus avoid them. I got bitten anyway.

Uh.. 10.6.2 was just released yesterday... you upgraded immediately by any rational standard.

How did you ascertain it doesn't work? Is it on a list of unsupported? or what? What is the make and model. Sounds more like you just want to complain.

And You never stated why you upgraded to 10.6 in the first place. What was the point? If it was just to have fun.. then downgrade to 10.5 if you want the scanner back in operation.

Sorry, but I don't buy the crap line: "Well, just buy a new scanner. Its cheap."

This is just a point of practicality. New 8.5 x 11 scanners cost less than $100. It just isn't worth the bile and moaning to complain about a 5 year old scanner no longer being supported. But I don't have a clue what you are really whining about because you have decided to hold the model back.. which gets back to your being more serious about whining than solving your problem.

First, the iTunes/AppleTV fiasco is only a fiasco in your own mind. For me.. it was a minor irritation that I resolved in minutes. This goes back to the fact that you are lying about upgrading immediately. From your complaint you would have had to upgrade before the release of 10.6.1, which is my strong bet. After 10.6.1 the iTunes update was available at the same time. The AppleTV was usable after this but Apple still released an upgrade to AppleTV.

Your problem is entirely unrealistic expectations... and if you think you are let down by Apple and think that Microsoft will treat you better.. I suggest you actually jump into that water.. perhaps you will have a better time.. lol...

50 posted on 11/10/2009 12:48:29 PM PST by dalight
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
Well, as long as you still have the Mac give this a try. VueScan. I have installed it on several client computers (and my own) when the scanner software eventually breaks (and it WILL eventually break).

VueScan has been around for years and years. The author keeps updating it and your updates are free forever (with the Pro version). It works well AND has all the bells and whistles you'll need (from novice to pro).

And yes, Apple does make some asinine decisions. I've been ready to jump ship several times over the years, but it's still the best OS around for my money.
51 posted on 11/10/2009 1:40:48 PM PST by Leonard210 (Tagline? We don't need no stinkin' tagline.)
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
The iTunes/ Snow Leopard fiasco was unforgivable to me. Apple creates the hardware AND the software and couldn't test enough to make sure that both worked together. As it was, the hardware we had bought was temporarily unusable. I don't put up with that crap from Microsoft.

The iTunes/Snow Leopard combination worked fine on all of the computers I upgraded. What problem are you having? The one where it won't quit that a few users are reporting? That goes away with a re-install of iTunes.

52 posted on 11/10/2009 1:41:30 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: rmlew

XP runs fine on a 500 MHz Athlon with 160 MB RAM. Just don’t expect to do much more than email and Web, and you have to turn off the eye candy.


53 posted on 11/10/2009 1:43:06 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Richard Kimball
Well yeah, but if it takes three computers to run the OS...

A coupe of weeks before my dotty, 90 year old aunt died, she had to be taken to the emergency room. After she was returned to the nursing home where she was being cared for, she told me it took THREE ambulances to get her to the hospital...

54 posted on 11/10/2009 1:48:50 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: whitedog57

“I run SAS and use Windows for it (since there is no SAS for OS X).”

I’m assuming you’re talking about Serial Attached SCSI and probably running RAID through Serial Attached SCSI. If so then it’s unfortunate for you that you haven’t done you’re homework because there is plenty of SAS stuff for the Mac OS Leopard and even Snow Leopard.
Areca & Highpoint are two companies I know that provide SAS RAID (PCIe) cards for mac. There’s even more companies that provide SAS PCI-X cards for slightly older macs. I’d look into those if SAS is truly what’s holding you back from fully migrating to Mac because it doesn’t have too.


55 posted on 11/10/2009 1:49:24 PM PST by brent13a (You're a Great American! NO you're a Great American! NO NO NO YOU'RE a Great American! Nooo.....WTF?)
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To: Swordmaker
Despite earning positive press reviews, we'd argue its teething problems are reminiscent of those of Vista. Since its launch, it's been riddled with software and hardware incompatibilities. There's a lack of Earth-shattering new features and an air of general mediocrity that was the hallmark of Microsoft's much-abused OS.
It's the first-ever Intel-only OS, so naturally the paid FUD-spreaders will be out in force. There are fewer than there used to be, because so many of them have either died, or gone to prison, or used one of the payoffs of bribe money to quietly buy a Mac. ;')
56 posted on 11/10/2009 3:03:55 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

Been running Snow Leopard since 2 days after release. Have no problems. Love it. It still blows away our cleaned up Vista machine at work. And the computers have very similar hardware and RAM.
Played with Windows 7 the other day on top of the line hardware. Certainly way better than Vista. But still not quite as easy on the eyes and as smooth as Mac OSX. But closer than Windows has ever been.


57 posted on 11/10/2009 3:52:39 PM PST by roostercogburn
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To: roostercogburn

Thanks RC.


58 posted on 11/10/2009 4:22:42 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: antiRepublicrat
That's not what I consider running fine, at least for business. Running fine for work is the ability to run Outlook, a CRM/CRS program, a browser for Sharepoint, a browser for another activity, and Word or Excel.

Of course some people have greater needs. I multitask and tend to use as many resources as possible. I am currently running: Outlook 2003
ACT
Quickbooks
A proprietary database using Visual Basic and SQL, in which I am running a report.
2 instances of Firefox , one for FR and one for private email.
I really like having 4 GB of RAM and my Core Quad Q9400. I don't know how I worked before I had 2 monitors.
59 posted on 11/10/2009 4:29:39 PM PST by rmlew (Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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To: rmlew

Everybody has different requirements.


60 posted on 11/10/2009 4:54:33 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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