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Is Snow Leopard the new Vista?
CNet UK ^ | 11/09/2009 | By Rory Reid

Posted on 11/10/2009 1:18:17 AM PST by Swordmaker

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To: Swordmaker; All

Hey - the magazine has to have a new issue constantly - give the guy a break. Remember controversy sells issues.

And I don’t even have to read the comments to know what all the little fan girls on each side have to say!

I got tired of people complaining that it was too hard to use UNIX because the editor was too complicated. - Bill Joy


21 posted on 11/10/2009 4:36:02 AM PST by Patrsup (To stubborn to change now)
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This article is BS. The author minimizes the Vista issues and makes mountains out of mole hills with the MAC.

This is nothing more than an attention getter backed up by little fact and a lot of opinion.


22 posted on 11/10/2009 4:40:03 AM PST by paul544
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To: BobbyT

They sold 3 million + computers last quarter. The majority for more than $1,000. That is a pretty good sidenote. Most of their money still comes from this sidenote.


23 posted on 11/10/2009 5:15:13 AM PST by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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This article is factually inaccurate. The “incompatible programs” that won’t open are a list of 7 programs that Apple warned you about before purchasing. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3258

Also, they warned you months before release that PowerPC support would not be included in SL. It’s still being supported with Leopard, however. They are continuing to make new versions of that.

As for speed I’m not really sure. I wasn’t going to buy SL because of the base 10 file size reporting. However, someone figured out how to change all that so I went out and bought it. I haven’t gone full linux because I do iphone development.


24 posted on 11/10/2009 5:29:14 AM PST by klystron
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To: Swordmaker
Believe it or not, it's possible that an even bigger hardware transition may be required for anyone moving from 10.5 Leopard to 10.6 Snow Leopard,

Umm, duhhhhh.

Leopard wouldn't run on the older G4s. Tiger wouldn't run on G3s.

This is not just FUD but really stupid FUD.

25 posted on 11/10/2009 6:34:43 AM PST by Tribune7 (I am Joe Wilson!)
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To: Swordmaker

I upgraded to snow Leopard, and now my scanner no longer works. Apple TV was acting very flaky (no changes to the network) - turns out there was a problem with iTunes and Snow Leopard. My patience for Apple errors is pretty much at an end.


26 posted on 11/10/2009 7:07:32 AM PST by MrsEmmaPeel (a government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: 4rcane
Apple$ have fans, Micrsoft$ have critics

Apple fans also have critics. It seems that MS defenders, those who like to play around under the hood and see just how cheaply they can build a rocket ship, seem to hate Apple fans as much as the computer.

27 posted on 11/10/2009 7:43:13 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: 4rcane

I machines with Windows Vista, 7, OS X Leopard and Snow Leopard.

Yes, Vista was a bad OS.

But I haven’t had a problem with Snow Leopard. It has been as expected.

W7 has an issue with 64 bit and wireless, but I found a workaround.

I run SAS and use Windows for it (since there is no SAS for OS X). Haven’t tried Bootcamp yet.


28 posted on 11/10/2009 7:46:18 AM PST by whitedog57
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To: whitedog57

Also, let’s see about W7 and security/viruses/worms/trojan horses, etc. Every time they release something, they claim that this is REALLY the time that they fix it.

Then someone in China, Russia, Ukraine, etc., finds the hole in W7.

My point is that, other than the ill-fated Vista (or Pissed-a) as my teenage son calls it, both W7 and Snow Leopard are great OS that will ALWAYS have some compatibility issues. How can you write an OS that includes all software/hardware written/manufactured by thousands of vendors over time?

If someone wants to be pro Windows or pro OS X, that is fine. But try to be at least fair in your criticism of the competition.


29 posted on 11/10/2009 7:53:30 AM PST by whitedog57
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
I upgraded to snow Leopard, and now my scanner no longer works. Apple TV was acting very flaky (no changes to the network) - turns out there was a problem with iTunes and Snow Leopard. My patience for Apple errors is pretty much at an end.

On the scanner, the software is now provided by Apple for many scanners and is accessed via the printer control panel or the application Image Capture. Works pretty well. But it takes some time to find it and get used to it.

Apple recently announced an upgrade for the Apple TV which I bet is to address this very situation.

Each time you upgrade an OS, you WILL have these issues. It is part of reality. Even updates need to be approached with some caution. I never update until I watch to see if some unintended problems have been caused. This occurs whether you are running OSX, Vista, XP or Linux.

30 posted on 11/10/2009 8:48:43 AM PST by dalight
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To: whitedog57
Haven’t tried Bootcamp yet.

Bootcamp requires you to boot your Mac as a PC and this is a bore. Use Parallels instead, you will be delighted.

31 posted on 11/10/2009 8:50:44 AM PST by dalight
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To: whitedog57

I knew there were some odd issues in the beta (rndismpx.sys and usb8023x.sys), but not in the RC or RTM. What kind of issues did you have? As I support Windows 7, I’d like to be prepared. Thanks for your help.


32 posted on 11/10/2009 8:50:54 AM PST by papasmurf (RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
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To: Tribune7
Tiger wouldn't run on G3s.

uh, Tribune? I've got Tiger running on three G3s. Works fine.

33 posted on 11/10/2009 9:16:34 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker

Re: G3s

But you are right. Running Tiger on G3s is not officially supported. OS X.3.9 is recommended.


34 posted on 11/10/2009 9:24:13 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker
I stand corrected!

It was only the original iMacs and the beige box, that Tiger was announced not to work with.

But the point still stands. Apple has a long history of dropping support for older machines in new software upgrades.

35 posted on 11/10/2009 9:30:55 AM PST by Tribune7 (I am Joe Wilson!)
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To: Swordmaker

Whatever. Every software developing company will come out with a turkey at some point. Perhaps 10.6 is Apple’s.

But to compare the two companies’ mistakes is silly. They both make their own, new, unique, and differently debilitating mistakes - so why compare? ;-P


36 posted on 11/10/2009 9:32:29 AM PST by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: dalight
I'm not new to upgrading. I still have my original 1984 Mac. I've drifted away and back to the Mac over the years. And I'm in a drifting away phase again - one additional reason to use the Mac has been taken away from me, with the scanner not working.

The iTunes/ Snow Leopard fiasco was unforgivable to me. Apple creates the hardware AND the software and couldn't test enough to make sure that both worked together. As it was, the hardware we had bought was temporarily unusable. I don't put up with that crap from Microsoft.

It will happen again, so I've decided its time to consider another platform for my video files.

37 posted on 11/10/2009 9:46:52 AM PST by MrsEmmaPeel (a government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: Swordmaker
Windows Vista was quite possibly the worst operating system known to man

Oh, puleeze. This guy never heard of Millenium?

38 posted on 11/10/2009 10:14:04 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (:: The government will do for health care what it did for real estate. ::)
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To: Swordmaker

Hardware hog?

Vista required vastly more resources to run than XP, and despite that Microsoft gave the green light for hardware “compatibility” to hardware that wouldn’t properly run Vista (like Intel integrated video) in an effort to sell Vista on more low-end machines that couldn’t really handle it.

Contrast with Snow Leopard, which simply removed support for older hardware. Performance-wise a G4 is still perfectly capable of running SL. Apple just decided to cut backwards compatibility and not allocate the resources necessary to maintain an OS for two separate chip architectures.


39 posted on 11/10/2009 10:30:44 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: SamAdams76
You'd be insane to run XP on anything slower than a 700MHz Pentium III with 256MB ram. I used it on a 400mhz Pentium II at work and it really was a productivity killer.
Frankly, you should always double minimum requirements.

Finally, VISTA had a lot of problems with graphics cards. Microsoft pretended that two generations of Intel integrated graphics were compatible. The truth is that nothing short of the GMA 3000 or 4500 is actually usable. Worse, many discrete cards lacked proper drivers.
40 posted on 11/10/2009 10:50:39 AM PST by rmlew (Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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