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To: nathanbedford

“I think he is a narcissist who survives and prospers not by addressing problems but by manipulating people. Narcissists like Bill Clinton or Barack Obama are not stupid, they are wonderfully clever and exceedingly effective in reading their victims and manipulating them.”

But are 100% of the people in his close circle totally manipulatable, if that’s a word? I mean, how big of a toolbox do you have to BE to almost be robotically controlled by the likes of Klintoon and Barry Soetero? I would pay big money to be at an event where either man tried to single me out and schmooze with me because they sensed that I was a holdout. I’d love to have either of them approach me. I’d glare right into their eyes and give them a piece of my mind. I’d use every nonverbal signal of rejection I could. I’d then turn my back on him and start talking to whoever was nearest me. Remember after Juanita Broderick’s rape and bitten lip (and the “put some ice on that” comments) when Hitlery grabbed Juanita Broderick’s hand and said, “We SO appreciate your help, Juanita”? If ONLY Juanita had had the presence of mind to pull her hand away and snap right back at her. But people seem to fall into a hypnotic trance. They slink away like whipped dogs. I just wish that someone out of 300 million could dent this guy’s faux persona.


11 posted on 11/08/2009 2:27:22 PM PST by 1951Boomer
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To: luvEastTenn
You ask a very troubling question: Why do the henchmen of narcissists remain under their spell?

History is replete with examples of individuals coming into the orbit of such demagogues who become powerless to break free of the gravitational orbit. Two individuals of history, Charles Manson and Adolf Hitler were noted for the hypnotic power of their eyes. When Stalin died all of Russia mourned the man who had murdered them in their tens of millions. But rather than focus on the Sun God who can grab and hold people, let us consider the psyche of the satellites caught in the gravitational pull. Sometime ago I wrote this post :

You ask, in effect, why do leftists behave the way they do? You rightly cite the suicidal belligerence of the Palestinians and the mindless hostility of American liberals. We are witnessing a tribal or a cult phenomenon.

I have been preoccupied for some time with the power that draw well-intentioned people into liberalism and I've concluded that it is the power of the cult. Consider how very difficult it is to pry a teenager loose from the clutches of a cult. It requires professionals and an intervention of the most intense level. My first experience with this phenomenon came from exposure in the 1970s to people who had gone through EST. They exhibited many of the characteristics which mark the present day liberal. A smugness, an ill disguised feeling of superiority derived from a belief that they alone are possessed of special insights and truth. A belief that the rest of humanity is benighted and unworthy except as candidates for conversion.

These people were so myopic and yet so convinced of the superiority of their Weltanshaaung that they were obnoxious. We called them, "est-holes."

The est experience consisted of "seminar training" in which the individual was stripped clean of his ego which was replaced by a new belief system imposed on the crushed individual by the est facilitator. This is typical of a cult. It is even typical of the Marine Corps but that is in pursuit of a worthy goal.

This phenomenon is so strong in its appeal because of the "power of surrender."

I believe that the principal distinction between conservatives and statists is that the latter are God players and as such they are in unremitting rebellion against God. Conservatives on the other hand tend to be believers. In the Christian faith we come to our salvation as an individual experience. One would think that a God player would be an individualist but for some reason which I do not understand they tend to be collectivists. In effect, they find their salvation in the group. Think of the Bloods and Crips. The act of surrender of the ego to the group yields a wonderful feeling of integration and well-being. The individual can renew that feeling by re-immersing himself into the group. That which threatens the group also threatens him. Consider the American Indians such as the Iroquois who were quite loving toward their children and considerate of each other and yet were unbelievably brutal and indifferent to the agony of those prisoners they tortured. They were outside the tribe, they were the "other."

I believe this accounts for the scatological language and the sheer nastiness of the posts one finds in the liberal blogs. There is no restraint so long as one stays within the cult. One of the primary taboos of this cult has to do with race. Liberals consider conservatives to be racists and hence beyond the pale. There is no opprobrium so debased that it cannot be applied to these people who, virtually by definition, are racists.

As new converts get drawn to the flame, they sense the release to be obtained from surrendering to such a group.

Last April there was a report that Obama recommended Americans embark on an environmental "mission." I wrote the following post as an illustration of the phenomenon I am trying to articulate:

Obama: Americans Want to Be on an Environmental ‘Mission’

April 23, 2009

I think Obama actually believes that the country once summoned will experience a spiritual release through devotion to the environment. This is a little understood phenomenon which motivates liberals in very many of their causes. When the individual surrenders to something other than himself- typically for the liberal that means the "collective," but it can be to virtually anything- he is rewarded with an emotional release, a feeling of integration. This phenomenon has been well-recognized by psychologists.

Recall Hillary Clinton's summons in 1969 for a more "ecstatic" experience. She was trying to articulate the same phenomenon. Think of the calls by liberals in the wake of 9/11 for George Bush to summon the country to a "sacrifice." Instinctively the liberals grope for this emotional experience. It matters not that the summons would have been fatuous. What did they want George Bush to summon them to? To plant victory gardens? To collect old tires? To ration gas? The point, of course, is that the war on terrorism was waged against us to cause us to change our lifestyle. No matter, logic has nothing to do with the emotional satisfaction.

I think we should consider the entire Obama administration to be a mystical call to the nation to join with them in this kind of mystical release that he found as an agitator and group leader for Saul Alinsky.

Yes, we are now being governed as though we were in a giant EST meeting and may God have mercy on all of us.


15 posted on 11/08/2009 9:40:34 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: luvEastTenn
I mean, how big of a toolbox do you have to BE to almost be robotically controlled by the likes of Klintoon and Barry Soetero? I would pay big money to be at an event where either man tried to single me out and schmooze with me because they sensed that I was a holdout. I’d love to have either of them approach me. I’d glare right into their eyes and give them a piece of my mind. I’d use every nonverbal signal of rejection I could. I’d then turn my back on him and start talking to whoever was nearest me.

It is easy for people who have not been "swept away" or "fallen under the spell" - or have already been vorwarned, and so who are skeptical from the get-go - to say that they'd recognize these impostors for who they really are, and that they would be immune to their blandishments.

If, on the other hand, you had met someone who was, essentially, a blank slate, i.e., about whom you had no preconceptions, then they could proceed to establish their ethos (as used in Rhetorics) with you.

Few people can then resist.

Regards,

20 posted on 11/09/2009 7:40:34 AM PST by alexander_busek
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