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Snow Leopard glitch means Windows 7 runs faster - on Macs
TG Daily ^ | 02 November 2009 | Nigel Constantine

Posted on 11/05/2009 6:18:44 AM PST by Sudetenland

The brand new 27" iMac is suffering from major problems with video graphics while Windows 7 operating on the same machines is working fine.

According to Apple bulletin boards, users started to notice that their Macs' pretty screens were running movies in browsers that were choppier than the North Sea in winter.

With no help from Apple, Mac Fans have been trying to piece together what could be causing such a kerfuffle. Initially the thought was that it was probably some cheap Chinese component which was failing or overheating.

However when Windows 7 appeared on the scene and users started installing it using Boot Camp, they discovered, much to their horror, that the Microsoft product was driving their iMacs better.

The conclusion can only be that it is a driver problem within Snow Leopard which is not controlling the big iMacs' graphics hardware properly.

But one user thought his 27" iMac was having major performance issues and not just with Flash. iPhoto slideshow transitions are choppy, Pandora streaming music skips and cracks up, game performance is slow, iMovie videos are crap (audio and video lags) - it's a real mess.

He said he had sat with Apple Care for hours, cleaned up libraries, zapped the PRAM, reinstalled the OS; but it's still not fixed. He thinks they are just defective.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: apple; maccult; snowleopard; windows7
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To: Wright Wing

My reason for disliking Macs is much more personal than most.

It has to do with my opinion of my brother-in-law, who is a Mac devotee...


21 posted on 11/05/2009 6:51:48 AM PST by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: Red Badger

LIBERALS suck.

The LIBERAL world is like a cult. It doesn’t matter how awful they actually perform, those that are committed are extremely difficult if not impossible to see the light and truth - namely that LIBERALISM doesn’t actually work, they break down left and right, they are useless for the real world of business (oh wait, LIBERALS are for diversity, multiculturalism, social justice, environmentalism, etc....).

Well, about THAT we can find universal agreement around here, I would think......


22 posted on 11/05/2009 6:53:13 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

>> Well, they’re useless for my business... CAD/CAM and electronics. I need integrated schematic capture and PCB layout with SPICE, as well as FEA analysis of 3D modeling.

I’ve tried this argument myself. Try finding an FPGA toolchain for the Mac, for instance.

The Mac fanboyz have an answer though: “You can run a Windows VM in the mac!” ROFL!


23 posted on 11/05/2009 6:54:10 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: MortMan

>> It has to do with my opinion of my brother-in-law, who is a Mac devotee...

Does he look like the alacker in the Mac commercials too?


24 posted on 11/05/2009 6:55:39 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: The Hound Passer
All the counter measures you have to take on PCs cost me a bundle each month.

I run AVG Free; costs me nothing. Haven't had a virus or infection in over 2 years now. Even checks incoming e-mails for bad things, as well as hooks into Word documents, Excel spreadsheets, Adobe PDFs, Adobe Flash files, and lots of other files that can execute malicious code.

So, yeah, that $0 price tag sure is a solid reason to jump from PCs!

25 posted on 11/05/2009 6:57:24 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Nope - he’s not that good looking... LOL ;-P


26 posted on 11/05/2009 6:58:35 AM PST by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: marvlus

The ability to run windows on Macs has been around for a while, not forever though:)


27 posted on 11/05/2009 6:58:59 AM PST by calex59
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To: Nervous Tick
I’ve tried this argument myself. Try finding an FPGA toolchain for the Mac, for instance.

Yep. And the truth of the matter is, a modern 2 GHz processor with 3 GB or RAM will pretty much do any of this really hard-core engineering in real time, as fast as you can think. You don't need much more computing power than what a $300-$400 PC can buy.

And there isn't a single Mac out in that price range. Period.

The Mac fanboyz have an answer though: “You can run a Windows VM in the mac!” ROFL!

For kicks, I ran my FEA package in a Windows VM on a Mac; at least 3 times slower. Now, with a native boot of Windows XP it was just as peppy as you would expect.

But then, why would I spend 3 times the price for the hardware and buy that unused copy of OS X? I really don't feel that bad running a laptop that doesn't have a glowing Apple logo on its top...

28 posted on 11/05/2009 7:01:13 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible.)
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To: Swordmaker

29 posted on 11/05/2009 7:01:27 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: Astronaut
Microsoft treats its customers with respect.

Is that why:

There is no consistent & easy way to do a clean install of Win 7 from an upgrade disk? (Even Windows Cheerleader Paul Thurrott of WinSupersite is frustrated by this).

You have to plug in a gazillion digit activation code on Win, and if you install new hardware, like a new HD, you have to activate again b/c Microsoft assumes you are a thief.

Win 7 Pro Upgrade is $200. $200 for a freaking upgrade OS. Even if you were a sucker and bought Vista - which every sane person agrees is a half backed OS unless you own a top-of-the-line machine.

30 posted on 11/05/2009 7:06:25 AM PST by The Hound Passer
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

>> You don’t need much more computing power than what a $300-$400 PC can buy.

Probably 80% of what I run are microprocessor toolchains, and of that, probably 90% of the time I spend in a simple text editor. It’s amazing how little resource I need, even for the compile. My circa ‘06 thinkpad R52 does just fine. I could be happy on a $50 used computer from Craig’s List. On the other hand, native toolchains for the Mac simply don’t exist!

The occasional FPGA compile is a totally different matter, mind you. :-)

>> I really don’t feel that bad running a laptop that doesn’t have a glowing Apple logo on its top...

Yeah, no style points. But who needs style points (he says as he sits typing in his sweat pants and dirty tee shirt) when you can get paid in real money.


31 posted on 11/05/2009 7:10:28 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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Apple iMac Apple mmm mmm mmm
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Apple iMac Apple mmm mmm mmm


32 posted on 11/05/2009 7:10:47 AM PST by listenhillary (A "cult of personality" arises when a leader uses mass media creating idealized/heroic public image)
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To: Astronaut
Microsoft treats its customers with respect.

There is a lie unintentional, maybe, but still a lie. MS has always treated their customers badly. Windows7, if it works as hyped, is the only release they have ever had that wasn't so glitch ridden users had to wait for at least the first SP and usually the second or third. Sometimes nothing fixed it, ME and Vista spring to mind. He**, they wanted to make it so you couldn't buy their OS outright but had to rent it year to year. If you call that treating users with respect I feel sorry for you.

Both MS and Apple make good computers, which one you choose is a personal choice, I go with IBM(which is really what a windows machine is)because I have been using them since about 1984 and don't feel like switching over now.

I don't use them because I think MS has my welfare on their minds, any more than Apple has their users on their minds. Both of them are in the business to sell an OS(in Macs case both an OS and the hardware)and make a profit, something they both do well and I am glad of that. However, to think their main concern is keeping you happy, except to the extent you will buy their products, you are wrong.

If anyone has treated their customers with more contempt than MS I would like to know which company that is.

Example, first release of Win95, constant failure, MS blamed the users but finally had to admit it was Win95 and not the user, took them three service packs to fix it, then Win98, almost a repeat. ME I have alread mentioned, and again they blamed the customer not their shoddy programing and failed testing programs, ditto Vista. Windows7 is merely a Vista fix, this should be given to all previous Vista users free of charge but of course it won't be.

33 posted on 11/05/2009 7:13:38 AM PST by calex59
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To: The Hound Passer
"I might also mention Rush is a huge fan too... which is actually how I came to consider them. Is Rush the leader of the Mac cult or a follower?"
We have a winner here folks! The champion argument for using a Mac.

That well known computer expert Rush Limbaugh uses a Mac.

Well! Say no more, say no more, say no more, squire! I'm convinced. Nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat. /sarc

I admire Rush for any number of things, but being a computer guru ain't one of them.
34 posted on 11/05/2009 7:27:05 AM PST by Sudetenland (Slow to anger but terrible in vengence...such is the character of the American people.)
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To: ConservativeDude



35 posted on 11/05/2009 7:28:48 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (A trade: Conservative Anglicans for Liberal Catholics and a heretic to be named later.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

LOL!


36 posted on 11/05/2009 7:31:53 AM PST by Eaker (Kaiden sez, "If you have a problem and If explosives are an option then explosives are THE answer.")
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To: Sudetenland
WoooooHoooo! An old fashion, rootin tootin, knock down, drag out, flame war has erupted.

MACS are fine, but MAC OWNERS are another issue. They are easily tweaked and soooo sensitive. So don't say anything bad about thier MACS, even if it is true, or they just go nuts.

37 posted on 11/05/2009 7:34:41 AM PST by BRK
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To: Dallas

Knowing Apple, it will be fixed and soon.


38 posted on 11/05/2009 7:36:23 AM PST by zeebee (Ask a teenager now, while they still know everything.)
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To: BRK

Actually you have it backwards. Say whatever you want about Macs, but when attacking the owners expect to be called on it.


39 posted on 11/05/2009 7:36:34 AM PST by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: Nervous Tick

“I’ve tried this argument myself. Try finding an FPGA toolchain for the Mac, for instance.

The Mac fanboyz have an answer though: “You can run a Windows VM in the mac!” ROFL!”

Yep ... heard that a million times ... pay a premium on the hardware so my computer looks pretty. Right now I am working at home on a PC with its side off and wires everywhere. I take pride in that :-).

I’m an FPGA designer as well. Just curious, is Xilinx running well on Windows 7? I am going to find out in a day or two here, but I need to get something out the door before I finish building my new PC.

PCB design is another thing that really isn’t available on the Mac. I know Eagle and a few other do offer it, but the “big” tools (Mentor, Cadence, Altium) don’t look like they’re ever going that route.

I’m no Windows fanboy, but I really don’t have the problems people seem to constantly complain about. I’ll admit Vista was a bust in that it really should have been nothing more than prettying up XP at a lower cost, but overall I really can’t say too much bad about it aside from Microsoft charging too much cash for it.


40 posted on 11/05/2009 8:01:29 AM PST by edh (I need a better tagline)
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