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To: myknowledge
If they can't be sold, they will simply be scrapped. Algeria, and several other nations, have turned down the MiG-29, which has acquired the reputation of being second rate and a loser.

Gulf war? Israeli wars?

2 posted on 11/03/2009 6:15:42 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana

When Singapore attacks Malaysia, we’ll find out.


3 posted on 11/03/2009 6:23:51 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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I think the training level of the pilots was clearly decisive in both conflicts. In the Yom Kipper War, the Israelis had inferior aircraft and managed to overcome the Arab air forces, despite the element of surprise and numerical superiority being on the side of the Arabs.


4 posted on 11/03/2009 6:25:06 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The People have abdicated our duties; ... and anxiously hope for just two things: bread and circuses)
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I suspect the western aircraft is slightly superior, however if you gave Israeli pilots the Mig you would still have the same result.


5 posted on 11/03/2009 6:25:52 AM PST by Wildbill22
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To: 2banana
What that meant was the Algerian Air Force (QJJ) decided to return its batch of 15 MiG-29SMT Fulcrums to Russia (out of a batch of 34 ordered) because it was found to have defects and also, they were not new-build.

The MiGs were built in the late '80s when they were originally ordered for the Iraqi Air Force (they originally ordered 137) but spiraling debt and the PGW halted their delivery. The jets languished inside a storage facility in snowy Siberia until the QJJ placed an order for 34 MiG-29s. The Fulcrums intended for Algeria were then refurbished and souped up to SMT standard (upgraded avionics, 440 gallon [2000 liter] spinal CFT, IFR probe,AA-11 and AA-12 compatibility).

This is where the Fulcrum saga between Russia, MiG and its customer Algeria and the QJJ started out.

The QJJ maintenance crews of the MiG-29SMTs found defects and minor structural faults that revealed telltale signs about the aircrafts' true age.

Mind you, the Algerian air force is highly familiar with the operating procedures of Russian built combat aircraft, having being equipped with them since the QJJ's founding in 1962, after its independence from France, with the Soviet Union's technical assistance.

They ultimately deduced that the MiGs were not new-build at all, but almost 20 years old, but covered up to make it 'look new', and reported the problem up the chain of command all the way to the Algerian defense ministry.

The Algerians then reported this problem back to MiG and decided to return the defective planes to Russia, in exchange for additional Su-30MKA Flankers (customized Su-30 variant for the QJJ, incorporating French-made Thales and SAGEM avionics). They are also currently negotiating for the purchase of ~40 Su-35BM Flankers.

Algeria Wants To Return MiGs

7 posted on 11/03/2009 6:47:06 AM PST by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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