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Doug Hoffman - This is not an example of third party ! (vanity)
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Posted on 10/31/2009 4:46:45 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing

I've had it with progressive media outlets out there talking up third parties as the route for conservatives.

Please tell me that all of you see through this. We here on FR have to be largely immune to these attempts at misdirection by the media.

Here is one example: The Doug Hoffman Effect Strikes in Two Key Races for GOP

With Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman running neck and neck with the Democrat in Tuesday’s special election in New York, some other disaffected Republicans are seeing the third-party route as more viable.

Here is the clinton news network doing it, here is some NYDN "third party" propaganda, and here is AP Obama as well.

I can't be the only one here who sees this. This is a scam by the media that's aimed directly at republicans and conservatives. DOUG HOFFMAN IS A REPUBLICAN. The only reason all this is happening is because there wasn't a primary. Had there been a primary fight, Hoffman would have likely defeated Scozzafava and we wouldn't even be talking about this. And next time around, there aren't many doubts that Hoffman will run on the republican ticket. Here:

The state's cross-endorsement policy means that the Conservatives (and its left-of-center mirror images) generally function as pressure groups, supporting major party candidates they like or undermining those they don't. But sometimes the major party picks a candidate so egregious that the minor party must and can go all out.

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I believe that political success of the principles we believe in can best be achieved in the Republican Party. I believe the Republican Party can hold and should provide the political mechanism through which the goals of the majority of Americans can be achieved. For one thing, the biggest single grouping of conservatives is to be found in that party. It makes more sense to build on that grouping than to break it up and start over. Rather than a third party, we can have a new first party made up of people who share our principles. I have said before that if a formal change in name proves desirable, then so be it. But tonight, for purpose of discussion, I'm going to refer to it simply as the New Republican Party.

- RONALD REAGAN 1977: "THE NEW REPUBLICAN PARTY"

Third parties lose.(with a handful of exceptions) If Roosevelt couldn't do it, then it isn't a winning formula. And that's exactly why the progressive media is now pushing third parties toward conservatives.


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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
I believe conservatives should try to take back the GOP but this is one exception to the rule. If you can't tell the difference between a republican and a democrat it's time to go rogue. Maybe the GOP will get the message.
21 posted on 10/31/2009 5:44:02 AM PDT by McGruff (We're Going Rogue Baby!)
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To: supremedoctrine
...that even I, ultimate cynic from the age of 14,...

Think you are a cynic now, wait until you are sixty. :D)

22 posted on 10/31/2009 5:48:19 AM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Boiling Pots
*Every* 3rd party surge has been followed by one of the 2 major parties adopting its platform.

With AIP, we adopted the Republican platform - specifically its heart, the Reagan personhood pro-life plank - since the GOP wasn't using it anyway.

23 posted on 10/31/2009 5:50:24 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (We're winning.)
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To: Nuc1

Come on you guys.You’re realist.The world is out to get us.:)


24 posted on 10/31/2009 6:15:38 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Had there been a primary fight, Hoffman would have likely defeated Scozzafava and we wouldn’t even be talking about this.


That remains to be seen. True there was no primary and the candidate was selected via the proportional vote of the 11 county GOP chairs who had input from their committees. Only three of the nine wannabes got votes:
Scozzafava .. 48%
Doheny .. 23&
Maroun .. 27%
Other 6 .. 0%

In a primary with a large field depending upon how many of the nine got in it would appear to me that Doheny and Maroun would have been the most likely to defeat Scozzafava if it would have been possible.


25 posted on 10/31/2009 6:47:02 AM PDT by deport
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To: imahawk
True enough...exactly why we are not parinoid! Good Morning FReeper! :D)
26 posted on 10/31/2009 7:01:23 AM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Maybe he used to be a Republican, but the party left him so he was forced to run under the Conservative Party.


27 posted on 10/31/2009 8:35:41 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: ViLaLuz

“Maybe he used to be a Republican, but the party left him so he was forced to run under the Conservative Party.”

Huh? He ws a republican until he ran and lost. The top 3 vote getters, which didn’t include Hoffman, in that flawed process got 99% of the votes. The Conservtive Party approached both the other 2 top vote getters and they declined running on a third party ticket so Hoffman was in by default.


28 posted on 10/31/2009 9:38:39 AM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.")
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Hoffman may win (and that’s still to be seen) and he may conference with the repubs, but when that interim seat comes up for election in 2012 you can be sure the local GOP will pick a new candidate (probably one of the 2 that lost to Scozzfava) and put in enough money to make sure he is soundly defeated.

Political parties don’t like traitors. Hoffman may be the obvious conservative candidate compared to Scozzafava but that mistake won’t happen again and Hoffman will be crushed in 2012 and all his vocal supporters on this site will no where to be found.


29 posted on 10/31/2009 9:44:15 AM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.")
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To: cripplecreek

It’s complicated. The Goldwater Revolution never occured in NY, home of Nelson Rockefeller. The Conservative Party was formed to push consevrative candidates and ideals. However, those Conservative candidates who win on this line always caucus as Republicans. Most famously, Senator James Buckley did this in 1970.


30 posted on 10/31/2009 5:54:51 PM PDT by rmlew (Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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To: PeteB570
Look for a rash of third party candidates in 2010 to steal just enough votes to get the D elected.

The difference will be whether they are true third party candidates running out of concern for the country, or if they are DNC-sponsored plants, running only to confuse the electorate and siphon off Republican votes.

I suspect that the latter will become a trend, for several reasons.

1. In 2006, we saw the Democrats nationalize a strategy to run "conservative" candidates against Republicans in traditional GOP districts. That strategy worked.

2. We've seen candidates like Michael Bloomberg run on the GOP ticket because the Democrat ticket was already full. After winning on the GOP ticket, Bloomberg became an Independent.

3. A willing media will label DNC-backed third party candidates as "moderates," or "conservative-friendly," in support of this strategy.

-PJ

31 posted on 10/31/2009 6:08:06 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Comprehensive congressional reform legislation only yields incomprehensible bills that nobody reads.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

The democrat my congressman defeated in 06 is running as a republican now.

In fact, the republican my congressman defeated in the primary was once a democrat as well. He seems to be a democrat again because he endorsed the marxist against my republican congressman last year.

Lots of democrat games being played if you ask me.


32 posted on 10/31/2009 6:20:30 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Doing some digging and found that another Republican running for nomination in my district is the nephew of the Ambassador to Ireland appointed by Obama. Hmmmmmmm

The Huffington post says that he got the ambassador position after providing critical support to the Obama campaign.

I don’t know much about these guys but I’m not liking what I’m hearing. There are 3 brothers, one already a GOP congressman in Florida, another considering congressional run in another florida district, and the 3rd brother moved into my district to run.


33 posted on 10/31/2009 6:42:42 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: mewzilla

Here is historian Michael Medved’s description of that history.

“2. NO, THE REPUBLICANS NEVER CONSTITUED A THIRD PARTY

Whenever I take the time on the radio to discuss the obvious and inevitable futility of minor party campaigns, some smug caller will try to play “gotcha” by reminding me that my own beloved GOP began its political life as a minor party, and managed to elect an underdog nominee named Lincoln in the fateful election pf 1860. It makes for a good story, and I know it allows misled minions to feel better to believe that it’s true, but the Republicans never operated as a third party. By the time of the first Republican County Convention (in Ripon, Wisconsin, on March 20, 1854) the Whig Party had already collapsed and shattered, hopelessly divided between its Northern anti-slavery branch and the Southern “Cotton Whigs.” Refugees (including numerous Congresmen, Senators and others) from the Whig debacle determined to fill the vacuum and, joined by a few anti-slavery Democrats and former Free Soilers, they launched their new national organization.

The first time candidates ever appeared on ballots with the designation of the new Republican Party came with the Congressional elections of 1854 and the fresh organization won stunning success from the very beginning. That very first year the Republicans won the largest share of the House of Representatives (108 seats, compared to 83 for the Democrats, along with fifteen Senate seats (including the majority of those contested in that election). In other words, the Republicans began their existence not as a third party, or even a second party, but as the instantly dominant party on the ballot. The future “Grand Old Party” showed itself a Grand Young Party not only with its Congressional candidates, but with its first-ever Presidential nominee – John C. Fremont – in 1856. Rather than making the traditional, pointless and masturbatory third party gesture and winning 2% or 10%, Fremont made a real race of it against the Democrat James Buchanan: losing the popular vote 45% to 33%, and the electoral vote, 174 to 118. The real third party candidate was former President Fillmore, whose anti-immigrant Know Nothing campaign drew a few remnants of the Whigs and took just enough votes away from Fremont in New Jersey and Pennsylvania to give Buchanan narrow victories and the electoral majority. By the time they nominated Lincoln four years later, Republicans commanded clear majorities in nearly all the northern states and fully expected to sweep more than enough of those states (especially in light of Democratic divisions) to put him in the White House.

. In the pre-Civil War election of 1860, the Republicans hardly represented an upstart third party effort: they won a clear majority of 59% of the electoral vote and a comfortable plurality (40%) of the popular vote. The real “third party” in this election involved the Southern Democrats who abandoned their national nominee, Stephen A. Douglas, and campaigned for Vice President (and future Confederate general) John C. Breckinridge, winning 18% of the popular vote and 72 electoral votes. Meanwhile, former Cotton Whigs and pro-union Democrats from border states launched a fourth party campaign, winning 13% of the popular vote and 39 electoral votes for their man.”

Formed in 1854 and majority party in the Senate and Congress and President in 1860, never really a third party.


34 posted on 10/31/2009 7:42:39 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

It is a third party victory, and one which says that when the Republicans run social liberals, conservatives will run against them as third party candidates.


35 posted on 10/31/2009 8:03:23 PM PDT by Z in Washington
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To: kindred

That’s right.


36 posted on 10/31/2009 8:08:02 PM PDT by Z in Washington
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To: Bob J

>> Political parties don’t like traitors.

>> Hoffman will be crushed in 2012 and all his vocal supporters on this site will no where to be found.

This is not about Hoffman - it’s about Conservatism. Hoffman is merely carrying the flag.

You seem to be anticipating his failure.


37 posted on 10/31/2009 8:18:06 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Speaking out against Free Speech is 'Hate Speech')
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To: cripplecreek; Brugmansian
I just found out about another one from another thread.

Linda McMahon, of WWE fame, is running as a Republican against Chris Dodd.

She has a long history with Democrats, but she is running against Dodd as a "fiscal conservative" for the Republican nomination.

This can't be anything other than a Democrat ploy to split the vote away from Rob Simmons in an attempt to save Dodd.

-PJ

38 posted on 11/01/2009 6:02:01 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (Comprehensive congressional reform legislation only yields incomprehensible bills that nobody reads.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Competition is good.


39 posted on 11/01/2009 6:07:17 PM PST by mysterio
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To: ansel12
2. NO, THE REPUBLICANS NEVER CONSTITUED[sic] A THIRD PARTY

Should they continue down their current path, they soon will.
40 posted on 11/01/2009 6:09:10 PM PST by mysterio
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