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Well folks, IRV is gonna show its ugly face in the Peoples Republic of Minneapolis.

Most of you already know what it is. I speak only for myself when I view it as unconstitutional as it violates the "one man, one vote" rule.

I anticipate that it will take several days 'til we know who won. Not that it'll matter a great deal because the winners are all gonna be Democrats or Green Party candidates/incumbents.

Two years ago, we held a referndum as to whether we wanted to have IRV for our local elections. The people pushing this hooey said that Republicans would benefit from this system. However, Minneapolis is such a one-sided party town that the people who do vote aren't gonna pick a Republican as their second or even third choice. They'll choose another Democrat or Green party candidate!

I'm tempted not to vote next week. I'm not confused by IRV - just irritated by it. Nonetheless, I think of what our founding fathers (and subsequent generations) did to give me this right and I can't ignore that. I'll go into the booth and vote for only one candidate for each office.

Comments or opinions - anyone?

1 posted on 10/26/2009 7:10:13 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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2 posted on 10/26/2009 7:11:25 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: MplsSteve

If I understand it correctly, I think I like this.

We have lost too many elections when a democrap has run pretending to be a hard right conservative, splitting the republican vote.

bill clintoon got elected even when 60% of the people voted against him.

If you were allowed to name your 1st, 2nd, and 3rd choice, I think we would eliminate that problem

I could be wrong


3 posted on 10/26/2009 7:29:05 AM PDT by Mr. K (My biggest fear is that one of my typos becomes a freeper catchphrase...I'm series!)
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To: MplsSteve

given the meager intellect of the democrat base, I predict kaos on election day and some surprising outcomes when the votes are tallied. Spoiled ballots may out number votes.


4 posted on 10/26/2009 7:29:44 AM PDT by lack-of-trust
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To: MplsSteve

First, I’m surprised the Obama administration allows this, because it could confuse blacks who might not know which candidates are the black ones they are supposed to vote for.

Second, I’m surprised that people in this city, who aren’t likely any better at voting than the people in Florida who failed to punch their punch cards, or who screwed up the butterfly ballot, or who voted for two candidates in a race because they were told by the activists on their voting bus that they should vote “line one on every page” and the one contest spanned two pages, could possibly figure out how to rank their people in order.

Anyway, I’m not sure how IRV violates one-man, one-vote. IN a perfect world, every voter would be able to vote in every election — and the IRV is no more than a series of elections held one after another. (There is one substantive difference, which is that the voters have no ability to change their vote during the “series of votes”).


5 posted on 10/26/2009 7:32:36 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: MplsSteve
We have non-partisan races where three or more may be running for TWO seats - on like the school board.

Top two vote getters get the seats

If you really want one candidate to win you only mark your candidate. That way you don’t give a vote to somebody who may steal the second seat from your guy. It’s called shotgun voting around here. (The way pellets are scattered around a target)

I would have to put more thought into your new system.

6 posted on 10/26/2009 7:50:29 AM PDT by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: MplsSteve

Gee in the recent Minnesota Senate race did the ACORN furnished ballots have Franken’s name listed three times and all three votes counted?


7 posted on 10/26/2009 8:04:04 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: MplsSteve

I think we need to be very careful about this type of voting. The people that I know that are really pushing this system of voting are hard core left wing activists.

If they strongly support such a voting system, I am automatically opposed to it. In the back of my mind, I have a feeling this will hurt Republicans.


8 posted on 10/26/2009 8:11:00 AM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: MplsSteve

court challenge?


9 posted on 10/26/2009 8:17:29 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: MplsSteve

And if the hard-core left doesn’t like the election results, they’ll STILL change them.


10 posted on 10/26/2009 8:18:29 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (No apologies.)
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To: MplsSteve

I actually like this idea. Conservatives can vote for a third party candidate, but still put the Republican as their second choice. It allows voting your conscious AND voting lesser of two evils at the same time.


11 posted on 10/26/2009 8:44:01 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: MplsSteve

I wonder if they had IRV statewide would there still be a Senator Al Franken. Probably not.


13 posted on 10/26/2009 8:50:21 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Doug Hoffman for Congress NY-23)
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To: MplsSteve

Got a feeling a lot of DFLers are going to accidentally vote for Pat Buchanan.

Now they can be disenfranchised thrice in one visit to the polls.


15 posted on 10/26/2009 9:03:31 AM PDT by MediaMole
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To: MplsSteve

I totally disagree. Without some form of runoff voting, we’re locked into the present 1.5 party system forever. We need a voters bill of rights and the very first item of that has to be runoff elections for all public offices.


16 posted on 10/26/2009 10:13:43 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: MplsSteve

new rules for 4 ways stops per MNDOT /IRV Parody Group

car with plates ending in 3 get the right of way

2nd is plates ending in 5

3rd is plates ending in 9

4 is plates ending in 0

in the event of two cars with matching plates stopping at the same time, the car permitted to go 1st will be preference of

1. black

2. white

3. red

4. green

5. blue

in the event an illegal alien without insurance or license arrives 1st, he/she is permitted to run the stop sign and mow down whoever gets in their way,but only in declared “sanctuary cities”.


17 posted on 10/26/2009 1:20:30 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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