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To: Mase

Thanks for reading way to much into what I wrote. While there is no way to avoid all forms of this, I do try to avoid soy milk because it is not a great alternative to cow’s milk. I never implied that it does cause reproductive issues in Asians, but I will add that I have reproductive issues that have decreased since avoiding soy products. I also have noticed a difference in my PCOS since I have been avoiding xenoestrogens (no small fete since they are found in most body care products). There was a study done by a group that gets donations from American Dairy Farmers, so it is safe to say it might be biased, but the group’s study compared height of Asians born and raised on Asian soy diets to height of Asians born and raised on American non-soy diets. The latter groups average heights were taller.


48 posted on 10/26/2009 9:54:24 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun
Thanks for reading way to much into what I wrote

Uh, you wrote:

That's wrong.

...I do try to avoid soy milk because it is not a great alternative to cow’s milk.

It's a great alternative to cow's milk if you're a child that can't consume cow's milk.

I never implied that it does cause reproductive issues in Asians

You said that the phytoestrogens in soy milk turns boys into girls and vice-versa. I assumed that applied to Asian, American, European and all other boys and girls. Asians consume large amounts of soy and we don't see any evidence of boys developing female characteristics or vice-versa.

but I will add that I have reproductive issues that have decreased since avoiding soy products

You know what they say about causes and correlations.

. I also have noticed a difference in my PCOS since I have been avoiding xenoestrogens (no small fete since they are found in most body care products).

The ratio of natural to synthetic estrogen equivalents is around 40,000,000 to 1. My point is that naturally occurring estrogenic compounds far outweigh the potential effect of minute amounts of synthetics. Your dietary exposure to xenoestrogens is minor compared to the daily intake of estrogen equivalents you receive from naturally occurring sources. If you fear xenoestrogens then you should fear the foods you eat every day.

What does this study on the average height of people on soy diets vs. non-soy diets have to do with phytoestrogens from soy turning boys into girls? We've known for a long time now that a diet high in animal protein will result in bigger people than a diet relying on plant protein.

53 posted on 10/26/2009 11:18:56 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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