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The great wolf debate comes to Yakima
Yakima Herald Republic ^ | October 19, 2009 | Scott Sandsberry

Posted on 10/20/2009 7:25:32 PM PDT by jazusamo

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1 posted on 10/20/2009 7:25:36 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: sionnsar

WA wolf meeting Ping!


2 posted on 10/20/2009 7:26:38 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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3 posted on 10/20/2009 7:28:34 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Think about it.

Past generations got rid of them because....


4 posted on 10/20/2009 7:37:30 PM PDT by devistate one four (Back by popular demand: America love or leave it (GTFOOMC) TET68)
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To: jazusamo

I don’t know what these wolves look like but the ones I’ve seen in nature parks are pretty pathetic...barely bigger than a coyote. One on one against my lab I’d give it even odds and that’s only because of the wolf’s reputation.


5 posted on 10/20/2009 7:37:34 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre

These are Canadian Gray wolves and believe me they are not scrawny. The males can weigh up to 140 lbs and several can take down large deer and elk, they are definitely a threat to them.


6 posted on 10/20/2009 7:41:11 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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Here’s the end-game:
If wolves control the deer and elk herds, then we don’t need hunters.
With nothing to hunt, what’s the point of the long-rifle?

I was born in Yakima and the family cabins are in the forest North of there. They are far too populated for safe wolf introduction.

Check what’s happened in Wyoming, where they are outcompeting the Griz for food. The bear are emaciated and not producing well.

This crap about giving the earth back to “mother nature”, is an elitist ploy, being used to undermine America, it’s freedoms, it’s industry, and foster population control.
Do you see any of Obama’s policies that don’t fit that mold?


7 posted on 10/20/2009 7:41:48 PM PDT by G Larry (DNC is comprised of REGRESSIVES!)
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Hunters are afraid wolves will decimate elk and deer populations. Ranchers fear the state’s newest alpha predator will wreak havoc on their livestock. Conservationists worry that hunters and ranchers will shoot the wolves despite state or federal protections.

The Feds and the DNR "reintroduced" wolves to Wisc. The effects were predicted and now the DNR is doing the "what problem?" dance. We have our own wolf control program now: Shoot. Shovel. Shut up.

Not that I advocate such a thing....

8 posted on 10/20/2009 7:45:18 PM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: G Larry

I couldn’t agree more with you, we don’t need and shouldn’t allow the reintroduction of wolves.


9 posted on 10/20/2009 7:46:33 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: G Larry

With nothing to hunt, what’s the point of the long-rifle?
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shoot wolves with :)


10 posted on 10/20/2009 7:46:43 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre

I’ve seen 150 lbers, but most you see shot or snared are yearlings; around 100 lbs. We have quite a few wolves all over Alaska and they really hammer the moose, caribou, and sheep once the packs start to expand; clean everything right out. You see the real balance of nature only allows for 10% of the game on any piece of land than what the land is able to actually support with game management. No workey once humans come into the picture. Imagine what the deer hunters back east would say if 90% of the deer were gone? That’s the balance of nature.


11 posted on 10/20/2009 7:48:08 PM PDT by Eska
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idk bout that. Ten percent? That’s all?

Then how do you account for the millions of buffalo that they say once roamed the plains?


12 posted on 10/20/2009 7:52:35 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: george76; girlangler; GladesGuru; Flycatcher

Wolves in numbers are coming to WA state though we don’t have the funds to manage them nor to pay ranchers for losses, go figure.


13 posted on 10/20/2009 7:54:43 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Eska

Imagine what the deer hunters back east would say if 90% of the deer were gone? That’s the balance of nature.

The deer hunters of PA found out several years ago.


14 posted on 10/20/2009 8:29:11 PM PDT by freedomfiter2
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To: mamelukesabre
Trouble is that we are not living in the 17-1800's anymore; way too many people also dependent on the resource and also most of the land now is dedicated for human useage. That's why reality is different today. We need game management to produce the numbers necessary to fulfill human requirements too. Some may think that people will go hungry obeying hunting regulations, but I know better. You'll quickly end up with no moose for wolves or man.

I live in Ak, the Indians hunt all year long; govt can't and is too scared to stop them. Add in the human hunters & growing predator numbers; pretty hungry country. Alaska was quite barren as far as ungulate numbers in 1800's. Moose only expanded their numbers after massive wolf control in early 1900's.

15 posted on 10/20/2009 9:04:17 PM PDT by Eska
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Do remember that when you are about to change your antifreeze, don’t leave it in open containers. Wolves will drink it, and the state will NOT pay you for the stolen antifreeze.

I like the pretty green color of the classic antifreeze. And, since I don’t want to pay for the “embittered” antifreeze, I don’t buy it.

After all, who cares if the antifreeze is bitter or happy - just as long as it isn’t gay.

;-)


16 posted on 10/20/2009 9:19:00 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: jazusamo

Defenders of Wild Food

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTEkQdrSP-w&feature=player_embedded


17 posted on 10/20/2009 9:22:11 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: GladesGuru

By golly that hadn’t come to mind but now that you mention it I was always fascinated with the coolant that sometimes looks yellow and sometimes green, kinda fluorescent like. Have to be careful with that because animals could be attracted to it, especially wolves. :-)


18 posted on 10/20/2009 9:33:38 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: george76

Excellent video, George. It says an awful lot in one minute and it has a message that millions should see.


19 posted on 10/20/2009 9:36:57 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
Artistic arrangements of liquid in containers offers a new art medium. Shapes of the containers, arrangement of the containers, colors of the fluid, all combine to produce a new artistic medium.

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The white of the snow, and the crisp air in winter is the perfect background for adding scents to the fluids of the art work. When dark colored containers are selected, the sun will warm the container above the surrounding temperature. This warmer material is the perfect place for placing the scent sources.

Bacon fat is the most basic, and widely available organic scent source, but the creative artist will surely also explore the myriad possibilities offered by the essential oils, perfumes, etc.

As is the case in more urban art exhibits, vandalism is always a possibility. The prudent artist will always take pictures to preserve the concept, and to allow repair/replacement should two or four legged predators attack, vandalize, or steal part or all of a work of outdoor fluid art.

20 posted on 10/21/2009 5:39:03 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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