[WhizCodger]

The following was posted this morning under the Latest New section of "theobamafile" website. It gives a image of the COLB.

This "Certificate of Live Birth," has been circulating on the net in the last couple hours. It shows Barack Obama as being born in "Kenya, Africa." Attorney Mario Apuzzo and Charles Kerchner both believe it is a forgery and a fraud -- probably created by Obots to get our side scurrying around.

The reason they think it is a fraud is because the Hawaiian statute cited in the lower right corner as the version with the ".8" amendment on the end, i.e., 338.17.8 did not exist in 1961. It was added in 1982.

That jumped out at them right away. 338.17.8 did not apply to Obama in 1961 because it did not exist in the law books yet. But the registration of out of state children was permitted in 1961 under older laws such as the one in 1911 and another in 1955.

Since this document cites 338.17.8 it cannot be the initial or original birth registration document. The post provides additional info.

[Caesar Soze]

This "Certificate of Live Birth," has been circulating on the net in the last couple hours. It shows Barack Obama as being born in "Kenya, Africa."

Is it normal to list continents on birth certificates? I mean, it's not like Kenya of Africa might be confused with Kenya of Antarctica.

[tutstar]

Have you seen this one from Africa?

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=105764

[Fractal Trader]

Actually, the data in the document is pretty interesting. First, it says that it as signed by the grandma, Madelyn Dunham and second, it says that she was “reporting” the birth, which could be consistent with the baby being born elsewhere, but the birth certificate being “reported”.

[David]

"The reason they think it is a fraud is because the Hawaiian statute cited in the lower right corner as the version with the ".8" amendment on the end, i.e., 338.17.8 did not exist in 1961. It was added in 1982. That jumped out at them right away. 338.17.8 did not apply to Obama in 1961 because it did not exist in the law books yet. But the registration of out of state children was permitted in 1961 under older laws such as the one in 1911 and another in 1955. Since this document cites 338.17.8 it cannot be the initial or original birth registration document. The post provides additional info."

Probably pretty early to make a judgment about this document.

Lots of times, states have statutes with a sub-number like this; repeal it; later adopt something else with the earlier number. In order to determine what the merits of this argument are, you need to look carefully at the state legislative history documents for the statute.

See what the statute said in 1961.

Note also that the statute reference is not part of the printed form. It isn't typed on the same line as the remainder of the filing note.

Note also that the first number 1 typed on line 33 has a broken right foot; the number 1 on line 33 in the statute citation is not broken which suggests that the statutory reference was typed later.

Another possible explanation for this situation is that the file was pulled at some later date; Hawaii Department of Public Health was looking for some legal authority on which to issue a COLB so they took this and added the statutory citation so they could announce that they had a legal basis for issue of a COLB.

The other issues that have been raised about this document appear to have been resolved.