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Wild horse defenders criticize plan to manage mustangs, urge removal of cattle (Econut Alert)
Minneapolis Star-Tribune ^ | October 17, 2009 | Martin Griffith AP

Posted on 10/17/2009 5:22:27 PM PDT by jazusamo

RENO, Nev. - A new federal proposal to manage wild horses is rekindling debate over another fixture of the Western range: cattle.

Interior Secretary Ken Salazar last week proposed moving thousands of mustangs to preserves in the Midwest and East to protect horse herds and the rangelands that support them.

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Many horse defenders and others who had been working to save the romantic symbols of the American West and might have been expected to welcome Salazar's solution instead stampeded the other way. They want Salazar to remove livestock to make room for the mustangs and argue that cows are the real threat to the range and native wildlife.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Outdoors; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: ar; blm; econuts; wildhorses
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To: jazusamo
I’m not sure I understand what you mean about exploiting animals. The majority of people eat meat in this country, do you consider growing and slaughtering beef for human consumption exploiting them?

Yes, what a dirty business it is to raise cows for slaughtering is!!!! I live on a highway but it is in a very affluent area and I pay top buck to live here. Everyday, I see slaughter truck after slaughter truck after slaughter truck drive by. The poor cows are so pathetic looking! I can't take it anymore, I want to get out of here to where I never have to see a poor cow going to the slaughter again! God help the poor cows that have been used for milk and then sent the slaughter. God help them!

21 posted on 10/17/2009 6:47:36 PM PDT by GinaLolaB
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To: GinaLolaB

You gotta be kiddin’ me. :)

If not, you better move.


22 posted on 10/17/2009 6:57:18 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo; GladesGuru; familyop

BLM livestock grazing has declined by about 50 percent since 1941.

USFS likely even worse.

Owning remote farm land with good water rights seems like a good idea.

The AR , PETA , city liberals who want to subdivide the former range will fuss when their food prices go up.


23 posted on 10/17/2009 6:59:45 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: GinaLolaB

It’s probably dairy farmers ditching their stock (as they have the right to do) . . . but don’t mind, someone will be by shortly to explain that a couple thousand wild horses are interfering with their God-given right to use public land to graze even more stock that we don’t need.


24 posted on 10/17/2009 7:07:20 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: jazusamo
I'm a horse owner, I'm ranch raised, I've hunted and ridden much of the country they are talking about so I know a bit about this subject first hand.
The wild horses that are out there are inbred crap. Just the law of numbers and nature. There are way more of them than the country can support. Everywhere you ride in horse country you know you are in horse country. The horse manure is consistently endless and every other gully one crosses is littered with horse bones. Camping with horses or riding in that country is a royal pain. The wild studs are always causing problems.
I keep asking the horse worshipers what we are going to do with these inbred runts?? The only thing they come up with is that we are supposed to feed them.
I have visited the holding area near Reno. The dairy quality alfalfa is stacked three squeezes high, 6 wide and a half mile long. This is green gold, very expensive hay. They feed these stupid mustangs better hay than I can afford for my own animals.
It just keeps going and going and at every turn the taxpayers loose their butts. If you want to see a very sad situation go and take a look at what is going on with these worthless nags. It starts bad and goes way past stupid.
25 posted on 10/17/2009 7:10:25 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (I'm a VET and damn proud of it!!! I did not fight for a socialist America!!!!!!!)
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To: GinaLolaB

PETA’s Pet Killing Program Set a New Record in 2008.

Animal lovers worldwide now have access to more than a decade’s worth of proof that PETA kills thousands of defenseless pets at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters. Since 1998, PETA has opted to “put down” 21,339 adoptable dogs, cats, puppies, and kittens instead of finding homes for them.

PETA killed 95 percent of the dogs and cats in its care last year. During all of 2008, PETA found adoptive homes for just seven pets.

Just seven animals — out of the 2,216 it took in. PETA just broke its own record.

Why would an animal rights group secretly kill animals at its headquarters?

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/


26 posted on 10/17/2009 7:11:44 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: jazusamo
You gotta be kiddin’ me. :) If not, you better move.

I am not kidding. I pray that I never see another slaughter truck in my life. Where I live must be slaughter HELL! The poor cows look like dogs going to be killed. Farmers are so callous that they do not even care about the animals that they have used for milk for years. Actually, they do care to a degree because they dump the slow milking cows at a halfway station and then some scumbag delivers the cows to the slaughter. Unfortunately, my brother used to be friends with 2 slaughterers and they said that all of the farmers used to beg them not to "hurt" their cows as they were dropping them off to be slaughtered. Now the "farmers" have a half way station to drop the cows at. Then the slaughter truck driving a**holes bring the pathetic cows to the slaughter.

27 posted on 10/17/2009 7:12:37 PM PDT by GinaLolaB
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To: GinaLolaB
A cattle truck is a cattle truck is a cattle truck. How does joe civilian standing beside the road know where it is going?? Every cow born today is intended to be in the food chain. That is just how it works.
28 posted on 10/17/2009 7:14:50 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (I'm a VET and damn proud of it!!! I did not fight for a socialist America!!!!!!!)
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To: oldenuff2no
A cattle truck is a cattle truck is a cattle truck. How does joe civilian standing beside the road know where it is going?? Every cow born today is intended to be in the foodchain. That is just how it works.

I'm not kidding. I am in slaughter hell! Ofcourse, it doesn't help to know all of the slaughter stories that I have heard from the poor scum riders that have to work at "the slaughter." I never want to have to live near a slaughter house again.

29 posted on 10/17/2009 7:20:19 PM PDT by GinaLolaB
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To: GinaLolaB

Check out FCS/FBS. It is what every cancer cell is grown in for cancer research. I own a lab that makes the stuff. If people like you had your way about things there would be no research.


30 posted on 10/17/2009 7:24:21 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (I'm a VET and damn proud of it!!! I did not fight for a socialist America!!!!!!!)
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To: oldenuff2no

You don’t understand the program, pilgrim. First, we round these animals up, then we pass a law forbidding their (humane) slaughter, then we keep them alive at your expense, then we forbid them shelter, then we propose a government program to provide them shelter.


31 posted on 10/17/2009 7:27:06 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
1rude, yea, I got that. I have about as much patience for a wild horse as I do for a rattle snake.
32 posted on 10/17/2009 7:30:40 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (I'm a VET and damn proud of it!!! I did not fight for a socialist America!!!!!!!)
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To: oldenuff2no

I like wild horses, myself. But I can only look in abject horror about the way this whole issue is being managed.


33 posted on 10/17/2009 7:32:54 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: oldenuff2no
Check out FCS/FBS. It is what every cancer cell is grown in for cancer research. I own a lab that makes the stuff. If people like you had your way about things there would be no research.

Research on animals? I also used to work at a nursing home which was attached to a "world renowned research center" and everyday I would hear the poor dogs that they were experimenting on; crying and crying. I remember seeing a poor old man resident who looked very sad at hearing the dogs crying, "What are they doing to the poor dogs?" and the poor old ma said, "they do everything to them. Mostly, they drug them up terribly."

34 posted on 10/17/2009 7:33:10 PM PDT by GinaLolaB
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To: GinaLolaB
There's a simple solution to your problem.

It's called the "For Sale" sign.

I like beef and I'm going to keep eating it until the day I day. I just finished a fine piece of Filet Mignon covered with mushrooms sauteed in garlic, butter, (from cows)and olive oil with a side of creamy Parmesan (from cows) polenta.

Tomorrow I'm going to grill the leftover polenta and serve that with some home made breakfast sausage (from pigs), and some fried eggs (from chickens). Some fresh mango and strawberries on the side sounds good, too.

Apparently you've never seen what a rotary plow does to wildlife. For every single bite of food you put in your mouth somewhere there's a gut pile.

That's the fact.

Now I think I'll have a nice bowl of ice cream before bed.

Best,

L

35 posted on 10/17/2009 7:34:29 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: george76

Yep, the price will go up. Of course if PETA and their followers have their way we won’t have any beef raised in the country and those horses will have the range and all the city people can go on vacation once a year to gaze at the romantic symbols of the West. *shaking head*


36 posted on 10/17/2009 7:36:52 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
Wild horsed should be managed like any other wildlife. Wild horses are not uncommon and are overpopulated in areas. They are an introduced species to the west, and they are very successful, too successful in some areas. In these areas the need to be selectively culled to make the herds healthier for the long run. Management of herds is a good thing, and as in the management of the herd of Kieger Mustangs in the Southeast area of Oregon (descendants of the original Spanish horsed brought over many moons ago, and managed as a group so their bloodline remains as pure possible), it also makes these animals desirable to own.

Most Americans don't eat horse but I have heard it is good. Lots of cultures around the world eat it with relish. Some people eat dogs. I don't, but that is my decision. Our state also has too many sealions, and they also need to be culled. The natives used to eat them. After they were protected they have become way overpopulated.

Not long ago, these horse herds were managed. The BLM rounded them up and utilized them. Some were sold to people as pets and others were slaughter's and the meat was sold, and the herds still thrived.

Now our government wants to spend 3/4 of a billion dollars to round up an feed these animals in areas where the herds are too large. I don't think we need to do this, as the money should not be spent, and a new solution does not need to be utilized.

37 posted on 10/17/2009 7:38:39 PM PDT by mickey finn
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To: GinaLolaB
Gina. lets take this out one more step. There are kill facilities being being built right now that will collect all of the bovine blood. It will be used to make a long lasting off the shelf whole blood replacer. This product is in stage 4 FDA testing right now and is going to change medicine. This product is being used in combination with a new cancer drug that is the most effective cancer drug that has ever been tested.
I understand that you feel sorry for the cows but every cow born is born into an existing food chain. That isn't going to change. If there is not profit in milk or meat then the dairy farmer and the rancher will not keep them and feed them.
38 posted on 10/17/2009 7:38:39 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (I'm a VET and damn proud of it!!! I did not fight for a socialist America!!!!!!!)
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To: oldenuff2no

Good post and you’re right. I hunted a good many years in Eastern OR where there used to be wild horses but they disappeared some years back. Don’t know if BLM rounded them up or if ranchers shot them but they aren’t there now.


39 posted on 10/17/2009 7:40:59 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: GinaLolaB

The calves used to produce FCS don’t make any noise, they don’t survive the process. When someone you love has cancer you are going to be very glad that people like me believe in science and research.


40 posted on 10/17/2009 7:42:14 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (I'm a VET and damn proud of it!!! I did not fight for a socialist America!!!!!!!)
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