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FReeper help need please show support to keep Luke AFB open
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Posted on 10/17/2009 8:01:36 AM PDT by Kimmers

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I hope this is not a repost....if it is, oh well....it deserves another go around.....Thank you
1 posted on 10/17/2009 8:01:37 AM PDT by Kimmers
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I this base really needed ?
2 posted on 10/17/2009 8:08:10 AM PDT by BlueMoose
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We should never keep a military base open just to benefit the local economy. That is a form of welfare. Military bases should be selected for their strategic advantage.


3 posted on 10/17/2009 8:08:41 AM PDT by HospiceNurse
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My sister lives right near Westover AFB.C-5A’s are constantly flying over her house...and they're LOUD.But the base is important to the local economy...and the national defense,so.....
4 posted on 10/17/2009 8:08:48 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: HospiceNurse; Kimmers

“We should never keep a military base open just to benefit the local economy.”

That is my sentiment.


5 posted on 10/17/2009 8:15:11 AM PDT by Grunthor (Thank YOU George Bush, for giving us the GOP of today!)
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It’s fun to watch teh training flights from Luke, but they are noisy after a while. Perhaps the base should be used to help control the flow of people and goods across the border.


6 posted on 10/17/2009 8:17:04 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: HospiceNurse

Luke was strategicaly selected and perfect for fighter weapons training. They are now ensconced in the west valley and all of the local communities depend on their existence. Certain left-wing asshats want them gone just because it is the military. The sound of fighters taking off at 7:00am has a very good feeling.


7 posted on 10/17/2009 8:23:13 AM PDT by eyedigress
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Yes, and when Luke was built, it was out in the middle of nowhere and nothing around but cactus and rattlesnakes. Now, development has encroached and the base isn’t isolated any longer. My feeling is, the base was there first. Anyone who moves in after the base was there has no right to complain about the jet noise (the sound of freedom!).


8 posted on 10/17/2009 8:33:27 AM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (GOP: Stop listening, start doing -- we need new leaders!)
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LOL I like that idea ...


9 posted on 10/17/2009 8:37:01 AM PDT by Kimmers (Be the kind of person when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, Oh crap, she's awake)
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They told all of the developers this in the 80’s. The closest people at the time was Sun City. Those folks didn’t mind. I wouldn’t be surprised if 100 year agreements weren’t signed between the communities and the base for furthur development.


10 posted on 10/17/2009 8:37:31 AM PDT by eyedigress
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Clarification: I would be surprised.
11 posted on 10/17/2009 8:42:43 AM PDT by eyedigress
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To: HospiceNurse; BlueMoose

You both have brought up an excellent point.

Is this really needed? Is this location important in our national defense and do we need to keep it open just to benefit the local economy (welfare).....if anything this may start some interesting discussions.....


12 posted on 10/17/2009 8:43:21 AM PDT by Kimmers (Be the kind of person when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, Oh crap, she's awake)
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The last time this discussion came up we had a new El Presidente. Guess who? This is entirely political.


13 posted on 10/17/2009 8:47:51 AM PDT by eyedigress
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Unless we are expecting a war with Mexico, an airforce base in Arizona seems like a boondoggle. Our F35s should be located where they can best be deployed in case of war. This would apparently be near a coastal port. But what do I know?


14 posted on 10/17/2009 8:50:47 AM PDT by HospiceNurse
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Not much. The training ranges in SW AZ is where they go and qualify to move forward. Many different scenarios are presented and they are trained on all of them. An Xbox doesn’t cut it.


15 posted on 10/17/2009 8:56:02 AM PDT by eyedigress
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The sound of fighters taking off at 7:00am has a very good feeling.

My sentiments exactly. I have little sympathy for someone that complains about the noise at any airbase, especially since Luke was built out in the sticks at the time (1940s). Did the people believe their relators when they said there's just a small airport in the area?

There's a lot of reasons why Luke was chosen to be a base and the economy wasn't a top reason. The weather affords year around training and the open areas and relative small commercial and civil air traffic make it ideal. Try to run a fighter training wing around New York or Philadelphia.

The last BRAC (Base Realignment and Closure) legislation was in 2005 and only two small installations in Arizona were closed. I haven't heard about any future rounds of base closures. I think Luke AFB will remain for decades to come with or without the F-35 mission.

16 posted on 10/17/2009 8:59:46 AM PDT by Harley (Life is Tough, But It's a Lot Tougher When You're a Liberal. Stop Global Whining Now.)
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It was during the 30’s and I came across a part of the range that was undisturbed about 17 years ago. Prince Albert cans strewn about and Dodge Brothers cars used as early targets. (The logos are still intact)


17 posted on 10/17/2009 9:06:19 AM PDT by eyedigress
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So, you are asking conservatives to keep a military base open based on welfare versus the necessity of national defense?


18 posted on 10/17/2009 9:06:54 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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::tinfoil hat firmly in place::

You don't suppose this has anything to do with Sheriff Joe and the allegations of racial profiling, do you?

19 posted on 10/17/2009 9:18:10 AM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (GOP: Stop listening, start doing -- we need new leaders!)
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Nah! It was a Clinton thing and now its an Obama thing. It’s about “community awareness” of the devil next door. They hate the military complex. It’s the one area they cannot crack. That’s why the gay issue is all over it. It’s all a big game to them.


20 posted on 10/17/2009 9:22:49 AM PDT by eyedigress
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