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To: mlo
"Finally, there are states, as, for instance, England, where the single circumstance of being born in the country naturalizes the children of a foreigner." - Vattel

Hence, Barry Obama, were he born in Hawaii to Barack Sr, would have been, as Vattell says, "NATURALIZED AT BIRTH" under US statute at the time. Barry is a therefore a naturalized citizen at best given his claimed father and not a natural born citizen.

67 posted on 10/16/2009 10:59:49 AM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: Plummz
Hence, Vattel was not writing about a universal rule, as I already said. He was noting the existing practices in various countries. As he himself noted, they were not the same everywhere, and we know even apart from Vattel that they were not the same in England.

In ENGLIGH Common Law, regardless of what other countries might have done, someone born in the country is "natural born". Vattel never said that was not the case in England, and he isn' a valid cite for proving the practice in England.

69 posted on 10/16/2009 11:26:31 AM PDT by mlo
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