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1 posted on 10/14/2009 11:26:41 AM PDT by Lucky9teen
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Does the Vaccine Matter? article by Shannon Brownlee and Jeanne Lenzer

Whether this season’s swine flu turns out to be deadly or mild, most experts agree that it’s only a matter of time before we’re hit by a truly devastating flu pandemic—one that might kill more people worldwide than have died of the plague and aids combined. In the U.S., the main lines of defense are pharmaceutical—vaccines and antiviral drugs to limit the spread of flu and prevent people from dying from it. Yet now some flu experts are challenging the medical orthodoxy and arguing that for those most in need of protection, flu shots and antiviral drugs may provide little to none. So where does that leave us if a bad pandemic strikes?
2 posted on 10/14/2009 11:30:00 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (America is at that awkward stage..2 late 2 work within the system, but 2 early 2 shoot the bastards)
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If a flu vaccine is sooo effective, why do 40,000 die each year in the U.S. because of the flu?


3 posted on 10/14/2009 11:30:35 AM PDT by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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ping for home


4 posted on 10/14/2009 11:31:57 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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bump and thanks


5 posted on 10/14/2009 11:36:43 AM PDT by two23 (czars are for commies)
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Denial is not just a river in Egypt

7 posted on 10/14/2009 11:41:18 AM PDT by DannyTN
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Denial is not just a river in Egypt

8 posted on 10/14/2009 11:41:27 AM PDT by DannyTN
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The vaccine for each upcoming flu season is formulated by health experts taking a guess [a wild guess, at times] about what strain of influenza might be most likely to circulate in the future.

I have read many post flu season news stories over the years that substantiate this point. Frequently, the article notes how the season's flu vaccination was not particularly helpful because the experts guessed wrong about the season's particular strain.

Personally, I don't waste my time with flu shots -- even though I could receive them free.

9 posted on 10/14/2009 11:47:22 AM PDT by Obadiah (Obama: Chains you can believe in!)
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The vaccine for each upcoming flu season is formulated by health experts taking a guess [a wild guess, at times] about what strain of influenza might be most likely to circulate in the future.

I have read many post flu season news stories over the years that substantiate this point. Frequently, the article notes how the season's flu vaccination was not particularly helpful because the experts guessed wrong about the season's particular strain.

Personally, I don't waste my time with flu shots -- even though I could receive them free.

10 posted on 10/14/2009 11:47:26 AM PDT by Obadiah (Obama: Chains you can believe in!)
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Tinfoil hat alert! Oh crap - here come the bluehats in their stealth helicopters...


11 posted on 10/14/2009 11:55:47 AM PDT by Poopyhead (I'm so ronery, so very ronery.)
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Bump.


12 posted on 10/14/2009 12:06:45 PM PDT by houeto (I peered inside the Treasury's door, the entire vault was empty. We've been robbed!)
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I had the first flu shot that i can remember 2 years ago.
About a week later I'm feeling a shaking tingly feeling in my feet.
It slowly moved up my legs, a buzzing feeling 24/7.
Sitting in my socks at my desk it would feel like little electric shocks bouncing from the carpet to my toes.
This lasted for a year and a half.
I read about some kind of nerve damage syndrome from flu shots on some site.
scary stuff.

My doctor scoffs at me every time i try to make the vaccine connection.
I'm glad it's finally almost gone thank god but I can still feel it a little.

I will NEVER get a flu shot ever again.
I had 2 other vaccines that day as well. Who knows which one caused this.

13 posted on 10/14/2009 12:12:00 PM PDT by mowowie
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14 posted on 10/14/2009 12:14:33 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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This is an outstanding article! Unfortunately almost no one is seeing it because you should have posted it under News where there is a lot of traffic. Please repost it there so we can get a real discussion going.


16 posted on 10/14/2009 12:18:31 PM PDT by kaizen
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...”Shannon Brownlee?” Greetings, cous’. ...a Senior Research Fellow in the Economic Growth Program at the New America Foundation?

...”Economic Growth” like Club of Rome, Club for Growth, and all of that? ...Malthusians. No, thanks. I’ll continue eating a varied diet, getting exercise, keeping clean, and sometimes, even, getting a vaccine.


18 posted on 10/14/2009 12:23:44 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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I read the title and wondered who writes this crap and why would anyone believe it?

The NEJM published a study in 2007 (conducted by the University of Minnesota) where vaccination records and hospitalization records for influenza and pneumonia for seniors were studied in three different regions over a ten-year period. They collected data from more than 700,000 person-seasons. The study found that among those vaccinated against the flu, there was a 27% reduction in hospitalization for pneumonia or influenza, and a 48% reduction in death rate.

This reflects the findings of a Japanese study. In Japan, most children were vaccinated against the flu from 1962 through 1987. For more than a decade during that time schoolchildren were even forced to receive flu vaccinations.

The researchers analyzed the monthly rates of death from all causes and death attributed to pneumonia and influenza, as well as census data and statistics on the rates of vaccination for both Japan and the United States from 1949 through 1998. For each winter, they estimated the number of deaths per month in excess of a base-line level, defined as the average death rate in November.

Results: The excess mortality from pneumonia and influenza and that from all causes were highly correlated in each country. In the United States, these rates were nearly constant over time. With the initiation of the vaccination program for schoolchildren in Japan, excess mortality rates dropped from values three to four times those in the United States to values similar to those in the United States. The vaccination of Japanese children prevented about 37,000 to 49,000 deaths per year, or about 1 death for every 420 children vaccinated. As the vaccination of school children was discontinued, the excess mortality rates in Japan increased.

Japan relaxed their vaccination laws in 1987 and repealed them entirely in 1994. I don't know why they did so but their actions resulted in losing what community immunity they had developed and in higher mortality rates.

22 posted on 10/14/2009 12:44:54 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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Vitamin D supplements during the wintertime when skin is covered and shorter daylight hours exist. That’s the thing that can keep your immune system up to its normal level of functioning.


24 posted on 10/14/2009 2:24:26 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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