Posted on 10/13/2009 5:26:07 AM PDT by Niuhuru
I was chatting with another FReeper on how teen mothers should be treated. Instead of being given free housing, what about Hostels as one Tory MP suggested? Why not save all the welfare perks for people who are responsible?
A very large NO on the home. I was a mother at 16. I worked and educated myself with all free tools available at the library and other sources. My family was fantastic! They were always behind me but never supported me. I was taught to take responsibility for myself so I did. I am very successful and my daughter is 39 now and a responsible adult mother and wife.
I have said that before that drug testing need to be mandatory to receive welfare. I have to take a drug test to get a job, why shouldnt they have to pass a drug test to get a check. I think if we re-invent the welfare sytem to be a productive one, that actually helps a person become a productive member of society then its a win-win situation. We will no longer have generations of families dependent on welfare. We will have people that have worked through the system and made it to the other side and are better people because of it and are proud of themselves and what they have accomplished.
If you drive into any section 8 housing in the US some of those people have really nice cars. I agree section 8 housing is a bit off and needs to be re-adjusted.
We are going to have teen pregnancy there is no way around it. Womens bodies go through a change at puberty for that very reason...to bear children. Evolution cannot be wrong..lol..we are meant to start having children thats is why our bodies start prepairing for it. Instead of trying to deny and prevent teen pregnancy we should probably focus more on job skills and parenting skills for these girls and the “baby daddy” as everyone likes to call them. Most of these young men dont have the skills to tie their own shoes let alone bond and care for a child. Also some “baby mammas” wont let the dads around the child without acting like idiots. I say to those mommas that the daddy wasnt such a bad guy when you were laying on your back making that baby.
I agree. My grandmother taught me how to knit and sew. But the point I am making is there isnt a demand for kintters and sewers in the job market. There is however a demand for people that know how to run the automatick knitting and sewing machines...do you get what I am saying?
This is very simple. We can not survive the current rate of such unwed motherhood. It’s 80% among blacks, over 60% among “hispanics” (whatever that self-identification means), and over 50% for all self-identified “race” categories. We must reduce the rate to historical norms, or the culture will dissolve into a dark age chaos.
What are historical norms? Don’t know for sure. But I’ll guess that they are well under 10%
What is your plan? One huge tax on the procedure, or a smaller tax spread out over 18 years? Not that either would stand up to a court challenge.
Are you serious...wow some of us got here from unwed mothers. How can you prevent something that is supposed to happen? Women have been having children for millions of years...do you think the daddy always stuck around? Did they have welfare 1 million years ago...no. And these women found a way to survive didnt they. People need to start being accountable for thier actions.
I suspect I have more experience by a few decades than you do. Moreover I read a whole lot, and never let my mind rest from constant exploration of why, what, how. Far more than the normal person — three sigmas at least off norm. I’ve observed and digested.
In my age, I see the value of small things, small kindnesses, small basic skills, small “pastimes” and “hobbies”, small choices for the good, small and simple knowledge and incessant reinforcements of what is good. Small prayers. Those are foundational. Single mothers, nearly all, come to that state because they lack foundationals.
Without those foundations, those foundational basic daily actions and skills — there’s no almost hope and little long term success rate of building a more sophisticated set of “job skills”.
Yes, more and more of us are without Dads from birth on. Too many! Way outside of historical norms. Not survivable, long term.
You might enjoy this, it was the first girls’ reform school in North America and is still in operation today:
http://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/pwwmh/ma43.htm
I read a local newspaper write-up and they made it clear the “offense” most of the girls were charged with having a child out of wedlock.
“WE ALSO SHOULD GO AFTER THE DADS. I favor jailing the Dads of any child born out of wedlock until they marry the mother.”
Oh, yeah. Track them down and make them admit publicly to their faults.
Make them marry the mother. Simple.
All of those Children of the Female Gender should be under strict familial control and kept in Purda. Remember my FRiends that it takes two to tango, and lust has two sides.
It is an criminal offense, one that is correctable by marriage. In healthier times it was on the books as a crime.
In today’s culture it is the innocent child born out of wedlock, without a dad, that we sentenced to a life of poverty and bitterness. To a much higher chance of becoming a criminal, a hazard and burden to society.
Around 6:30, he went off on a libertarian riff, tearing into crimes against society, crimes that he claims had no victims. He gave as examples laws against adultery and fornication, which are in fact, still on the books in Massachusetts. (You can get three years for adultery, six months for fornication.)
I think of myself as a libertarian, but I find I must disagree with Mr. Nelson. Society is the victim of crimes against society. As one who remembers what this country was like 50 years ago, I am not at all sanguine about the changes. The consequences of casual sex and fragile marriages are all around us and they are not good. We all suffer.
When my dear Ex decided to expand her horizons and tossed me out my house and home after twenty-two years of marriage, I counter sued for adultery with cause, got a favorable settlement.
More people should do that. Did you name the correspondent as a defendant, I hope?
You get what you pay for in Lawyers, I had the best in Essex County. I did a poll of my pals in the Mass State Police and he was elected the Lawyer most feared.
I like it. I may need to ask you for a Middlesex County poll one day.
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