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Real Tsunami May Have Inspired Legend of Atlantis
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| 09 Oct 2009
| Charles Q. Choi
Posted on 10/10/2009 8:07:16 AM PDT by BGHater
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To: Little Bill
Heh... those who have a big woody about pushing back the date of the supposed super-eruption have made the problem even worse; used to be the conventional date for the sudden fall of the palatial civ on Crete was 70 years or so after the supposed eruption — now as you said it’s nearly 200. That chunk of pumice found in Egypt that had been used as a serving tray or something had been saddled on as evidence of the super-eruption of Thera — until it was actually studied and found to have come from an eruption of Kos 100s of 1000s of years ago. At that point it was cast aside, and just as Zangger pointed out, the delusional system was further strengthened by abandonment of yet another key piece of evidence. :’D
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posted on
10/11/2009 7:00:32 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv
As I mentioned years ago I used to correspond with Zangger but I also do due diligence, Ebbi may be a semi-loon at this point in time but he raises some questions.
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posted on
10/11/2009 7:09:02 PM PDT
by
Little Bill
(Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
To: Little Bill
The World Question Center 2004Zangger's First Law
Most scientific breakthroughs are nothing else than the discovery of the obvious.
Zangger's Second Law
Truly great science is always ahead of its time.
Although there seems to be a slight contradiction in my laws, historical evidence proves them right:
- The Hungarian surgeon Ignaz Semmelweiss in 1847 reduced the death rate in his hospital from twelve to two percent, simply by washing hands between operations -- a concept that today would be advocated by a four year old child. When Semmelweiss urged his colleagues to introduce hygiene to the operating rooms, they had him committed to a mental hospital where he eventually died.
- The German meteorologist Alfred Wegener discovered in 1913 what every ten year old looking at a globe will notice immediately: That the Atlantic coasts of the African and South American continents have matching contours and thus may have been locked together some time ago. The experts needed sixty more years to comprehend the concept.
- When Louis Pasteur stated that bacteria could cause disease, colleagues treated the idea as "an absurd fantasy'!
- The theories of the Austrian psychiatrist Sigmund Freud were called "a case for the police" during a neurologists' congress in Hamburg in 1910.
- Lord Kelvin, President of the Royal Society, only eight years before Orville and Wilbur Wright left the ground in an aeroplane, remarked: "Machines that are heavier than air will never be able to fly!"
- German physicists Erwin Schrödinger's PhD thesis, in which he first introduced his famous equation, was initially rejected.
- When the Spanish nobleman de Satuola discovered the Late Ice Age painted cave at Altamira, established scholars described him as a forger and a cheat.
- The decipherment of Egyptian hieroglyphs by Jean Francois Champollion in 1822 was still rejected by scholar twenty years after his death.
- And when Johann Karl Fuhlrott discovered the bones of a Neanderthal in a cave near Duesseldorf in 1856, the president of the German Society of Anthropology considered it a bow-legged, Mongolian Cossack with rickets, who had been lucky enough to survive multiple head injuries, but who, during a campaign by Russian forces against France in 1814, had been wounded, and (stark naked) had crawled into a cave, where he died.
- Heinrich Schliemann's excavation of Bronze Age Mycenae and Tiryns in Greece was considered by English archaeologists in The Times' as the remains of some obscure barbarian tribe' from the Byzantine period. In particular, the so-called prehistoric palace in Tiryns was labelled "the most remarkable hallucination of an unscientific enthusiast that has ever appeared in literature."
Scientific breakthroughs will always be held hostage to the lag needed to overcome existing beliefs. Lucius Annaeus Seneca realized this already two thousand years ago, when he said: "The time will come, when our successors will be surprised that we did not know such obvious things."
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posted on
10/11/2009 8:18:57 PM PDT
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SunkenCiv
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To: Little Bill; SunkenCiv
Why did the Critas break off when Plato started to repeat the ILIAD. Yes, it was if Plato realized he was repeated the Iliad as the story of Troy.
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posted on
10/12/2009 7:05:09 AM PDT
by
Nikas777
(En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
To: KamperKen; BGHater; SunkenCiv
I read Graham Hancocks book Underworld a couple of years ago... I just posted a review of Hancock's "UNderworld" last week or so: UNDERWORLD - Graham Hancock The thesis of Hancock's is that during near the end of the Ice Age there arose an advanced stone age coastal civilization - not advanced like they had cars or lasers but advanced like the Egyptians and when the great melt happened this far flung coastal civilization/empire was drowned giving rise to the Atlantis myth and other flood myths with the survivors of the coastal flood moving inland to be among the less advanced humans of the inner continents who viewed the more advances coastal dwellers as gods or near gods. What survived are racial memories and some passed down knowledge turned to myth and legends and for the most part real evidence for this civilization is buried under the seas.
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posted on
10/12/2009 7:13:32 AM PDT
by
Nikas777
(En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
To: SunkenCiv
I read the Structure of Scientific Breakthroughs quite some time ago, but recall it making the same point. Seems to me a fair number of present day scientists may look silly in the future, especially those on the global warming bandwagon.
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10/12/2009 10:30:11 AM PDT
by
colorado tanker
(I humbly accept this award of Hero of the Russian Federation)
To: SunkenCiv
Looking at the premise of recognizing the obvious is an interesting observation.
A few years ago I was doing some in depth reading on Byzantium. One of the authors mentioned that one of the reasons that the loss of Crete impeded Byzantine naval power projection was because of the currents in Aegean Sea made it easier to sail from Cyprus to Crete to the home ports in Greece, Anatola and Byzantium. I filed that away Awhile later I was rereading Jason and the Argonauts I plotted the place names mentioned in the story to a current chart, and I was rather surprised that the Author was pretty much on target.
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posted on
10/12/2009 9:27:01 PM PDT
by
Little Bill
(Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
To: SunkenCiv
Im an ingoranty type of way below layman on sciency stuffs...
But, it’s always seemed to me that science is as much about cult of personality dominance in the academic/social relevant circles, as it is about actually proving or disproving things.
Seems to me that some of that is actually a good thing. Gotta have solid baselines and heavy scrutiny going on, or everything would always be in uber flux on the science front.
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posted on
10/12/2009 9:47:55 PM PDT
by
Grimmy
(equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
To: Little Bill
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10/13/2009 6:49:19 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
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To: Grimmy
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10/13/2009 6:49:38 PM PDT
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SunkenCiv
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To: Nikas777
That's Zangger's take on the Atlantis legend. His book about it is way out of print, but he revisits it in
The Future of the Past: Archaeology in the 21st Century. Here's a review of the German edition of the earlier book:
Ein neuer Kampf um Troia: Archäologie in der Krise
reviewed by Edmund F. Bloedow
Bryn Mawr Classical Review 95.02.18
Ein neuer Kampf um Troia: Archäologie in der Krise by Eberhard Zangger
In such a wide-ranging study, however, one can scarcely expect one individual to be able to assess all the primary evidence. Indeed, it soon becomes evident that Z.'s conclusions are based almost exclusively on secondary, and at times even tertiary, sources. And by casting his net very wide, he hauls in a multifarious medley, whose quality varies enormously. For instance, he brings to the debate for the first time, in particular, Plato's Timaeus and Critias, as well as Dictys Cretensis and Dares Phrygius, and other Mediaeval Homeric 'romances' (68-74). For Z., the accounts of the Sea Peoples, contemporary documents, the Homeric epics, ancient authors, legends, extra-Homeric literature, all compete essentially on a level playing field: broadly speaking, they can all be approached as "half true and half untrue" (74-75).
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10/13/2009 7:10:09 PM PDT
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SunkenCiv
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To: colorado tanker
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posted on
10/13/2009 7:12:47 PM PDT
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SunkenCiv
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To: Kandy Atz
If you ever get the chance to travel to Greece, I would highly recommend some island hopping including a stop at Santorini.And don't forget to eat at Señor Zorba's.
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posted on
10/13/2009 7:15:25 PM PDT
by
numberonepal
(Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
To: BGHater
Atlantis is one of the more intriguing myths/legends. I actually have no problem believing that there was some such civilization at some far point in history, wiped out by some eruption or other cataclysm.
Where Plato is short on description that really helps nail down the location, the thing I find most interesting is how his narrative is somewhat cavalier about the basic fact of the existence and history of such a place. As if it was common enough knowledge at the time that it didn’t really need much in the way of explanation.
I have little doubt that there have been obscure city-states in the various parts of the world that rose and fell over hundreds or even thousands of years that we still have no idea were ever there.
If only the library at Alexandria had survived intact. How much more history would we have some idea about? There’s just no knowing.
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posted on
10/13/2009 7:25:25 PM PDT
by
Ramius
(Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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