Posted on 10/07/2009 5:04:49 AM PDT by steve-b
I’m not sure that “Glenn Beck is a hypocrite” threads will play too well around here. Not with me, anyway.
In this particular case, even if this report is true, Glenn Beck has a “brand” in his name and without due diligence in protecting it he can lose control over it. URLs with his actual name in it is the exact kind of thing he should at least attempt to control. Remember, he is a large company with lots of people and offices and not just one guy on a TV show. He has a fiduciary duty to those people to protect his image and intellectual property including trademarks, etc.
This is very different from his fact-based and appropriate speculation about public servants in the press. I hope you can see that distinction.
I’m noticing this as well — I’m especially irritated (to put it mildly) at the constant news portrayal of Polanski’s rape as “underage sex” or “non-consensual sexual relations” without the age of the CHILD given. If they provided the details each and every time they mentioned his situation, maybe there might be a more appropriate reaction to it and these others instances. Shameful.
This kind of comment is the very reason Glenn cannot just ignore the site, the jerk who is doing this says it is not true his own self! People cannot come into this with the idea that there is any kind of reality to the charge whatever, to do so allows the dirtbag to accomplish his goal.
But people *will* come into the site with whatever they have in their informed/uninformed minds. People don't consistently act in responsible ways as though they are testifying in court. They do what they feel like doing without "fact checking" it especially if they are just casually surfing the interesting websites.
Glenn needs to control the use of his name - in appropriate legal ways, *not* stifling free speech such as satire - because of this. I don't support killing the website but I do support Glenn having his name removed from the URL if he can.
And YES, I understand that this particular piece isn't true (I guess) but the larger point remains true and relevant IMO.
(I mean nothing hostile here, I'm just interested in discussing the hypothetical situation :0)
You need to read more carefully. My remarks addressed this particular writer, and pointed out how he caricatured himself with ridiculous claims that Beck asks people to prove a negative, when in fact, Beck had practically irrefutable evidence to back his claims in the form of video, audio, and published works of those he's accused. I clearly conclude that this writer made a fool of himself. I was not addressing that website, but the writer of this article.
More often than not, Beck uses actual video of people doing things to prove what he says. Funny how the left calls that “Smearing” them.
Beck's hypocrisy is the real issue here -- he knows he can't win under American law, so he goes running to the Internationales.
Serously: In what way does that make Beck a hypocrite? Ya gotta use the right tool for the right job. He may very well not have a case for libel but that is not what he is worried about. He is concerned AFAIK with protecting his name and trademark as it is being used in a URL and the people that control such things must be contacted.
I honestly think you point constitutes a non-sequitor.
To which I again say, it is not political satire, website, individual, mass e-mailings, regardless the media or number of people promoting. He doesn't make a fool of himself, he is making himself a defendant in a libel case, Def: anything that is defamatory or that maliciously or damagingly misrepresents.
Glenn needs to control the use of his name - in appropriate legal ways, *not* stifling free speech such as satire - because of this. I don't support killing the website but I do support Glenn having his name removed from the URL if he can.
Free speech does not allow slander/libel. Glenn is entitled to control the use of his name and protect himself, his employees, etc., by use of the cease and desist order, if libel suit is necessary, so be it. Again, this does not fall under political speech whatsoever, first and foremost, Glenn Beck is not a politician, he is a public figure. Public figures are protected from libel the same as any private citizen.
Personally, and I can't answer for anybody else, I use the phrase "if it is true" in cases where I haven't had enough time/interest to do my own homework and am indicating a hypothetical situation. That's all it means. It also implies that "if it's NOT true" then I'd have a different reaction.
I have no quarrel with your position at all. I was just responding to a casual thread with a bit of a hypothetical argument. :0)
And if he actually did would you interpret that as a true reaction, or as sarcasm, or would you simply pick the angle which allows you the greatest flexibility in criticizing him?
You see, we can't read his mind. We, meaning neither you nor I. Therefore your accusation cannot be proven but only endlessly argued.
How boring that turns out to be for everyone.
He should hire the mafia to kill the guy!
Nothing says one can't do both of those things at the same time.
But your response is confusing, and has little to do what I have specifically said in this thread. Just state whatever opinion you want to state without attaching them to other's remarks.
Now, I don’t think that Glenn Beck in unpatriotic — actually, I think he is patriotic — I’m just asking the question of why a supposedly patriotic American would go to some foreign international-law body rather than an American court. Nothing wrong with asking questions, now is there...?
Does he? Or does he find the lawyer’s response amusing? And really, the response kind of is, although not so much the part he excerpted. The discussion of internet memes is actually kind of interesting too, and tracing how this particular one took hold.
Not if you're ok with getting answers you maybe didn't expect...
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