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To: mlo
That's exactly correct, whether people want to face the reality of it or not. Obama is the President. Every court in the land will accept that as the status quo, and status quo is given deference in the law for a number of very good reasons.

Nobody here loves Obama’s policies. Most regard them with distaste. But we also regard Orly's filings with distaste because they demonstrate no respect for the rule of law, which is a crucial gift in the history of Western Civilization. One without which democracy is not possible. The rule of law in this country is a miraculous thing, settling disputes in an orderly manner every single day that in other places and times would be settled by murder, pillaging and coups. It is one of the bulwarks of a civilized society.

If you truly respect the Constitution, you have to respect that. Now, come up with proof that Obama was not born in the United States, and I'll be the first to tell you you've got something you can then try to fashion into an actionable case. I think lots of real lawyers would be interested at that point. But we're talking real proof that meets real evidentiary standards—not “I assert I bribed various people to give me a copy of something no one has ever seen before” or “I saw someone eating in a restaurant that I just assumed was so-and-so and maybe that has something to do with a case.” The idea that it's unfair to have to find evidence sufficient for a case without discovery is a nonstarter. Plaintiffs successfully do that all the time.

64 posted on 10/04/2009 1:54:24 PM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative
tired_old_conservative: Since 2009-10-03.

Yep! You're just one of the “conservatives” who are trying to face reality. I know. I know. You care so much for the Constitution and rule of law.

73 posted on 10/04/2009 4:18:01 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: tired_old_conservative
" If you truly respect the Constitution, you have to respect that. Now, come up with proof that Obama was not born in the United States "
How the " Proof " be submitted in court when most of the cases were thrown out because of lack of standing.
Obama has the DOJ and legal apparatus on his side putting up walls to block any hearings and to have his records looked at.
How can citizens , and Allen Keys, and others bring the proof to court when Obama's people and DOJ shut the doors of justice in the people face ?
I don't want to hear anything from anti-birthers or Obama's people saying " where the proof " when they shut the door's of justice in our face and tell us we have no standing.
84 posted on 10/04/2009 5:27:48 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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