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To: machogirl

The “dual citizenship” angle is a dead letter. NOTHING another country says or does can obviate American citizenship so even if he were declared a citizen of Indonesia it would not matter unless he renounced his American citizenship AS AN ADULT. No one can do it for him as a child.

Neither would having a parent as a non-citizen affect his citizenship IF he were born within the US. If “anchor” babies are citizens (and that is the current understanding unfortunately) then Barry is IF born within the US.

It all boils down to WAS he born here or Kenya? All the rest is just confused lawyering. Clearly we have not been shown any convincing evidence that he was and there are lots of circumstantial evidence that he was NOT.


22 posted on 10/02/2009 4:11:21 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: arrogantsob

But anchor babies can’t be “natural born” for Presidential purposes, because their Parents aren’t citizens?


27 posted on 10/02/2009 4:15:34 PM PDT by machogirl
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To: arrogantsob

If “anchor” babies are citizens (and that is the current understanding unfortunately) then Barry is IF born within the US.
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This isn’t about whether he is a citizen. It is about his *natural born* status. BIG difference!


35 posted on 10/02/2009 4:20:31 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: arrogantsob

How are things at DOJ these days?


102 posted on 10/02/2009 7:09:16 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: arrogantsob
If we look at the intent of the constitution, it is clear that securing pure and singular fidelity to nation was the intended objective to the “natural Born Citizen” clause. I think we can all agree to that supposition.

Unfortunately, we have a president that has maintained fidelity to a multitude of nations due to his circumstance of birth and his childhood adoption. His love of Kenya, understandable though it may be, was expressed by his trips to Kenya after being elected to the senate. It is his birth right to love his fathers country, and it is his obligation to love his fathers country.

The United states is not his Fathers country. It either comes second or first in his obligations of loyalty. Kenya dos not come second. Our constitution demands loyalty to no other nation. By that measure, he is not qualified.

When the constitution is amended to provide natural born status to people born with dual citizenship, then Obama will be qualified. With judicial fiat being the norm for amending the constitution, with all the disrespect that that entails for the constitution, it shouldn't be too hard.

221 posted on 10/03/2009 8:58:54 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: arrogantsob
Neither would having a parent as a non-citizen affect his citizenship IF he were born within the US. If “anchor” babies are citizens (and that is the current understanding unfortunately) then Barry is IF born within the US.

The 14th amendment makes anyone born in the US a citizen. But not a necessarily a "natural born one" One understanding, from "Vattel's law of nations written somewhat before the American Revolution, indicates that you need two citizen parents, and in general, to be born in the country. The exceptions are the children of diplomats and military personnel serving the country, but outside of it at the time of the child's birth. Those exceptions also come from Vattel.

224 posted on 10/03/2009 9:29:59 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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