Posted on 09/27/2009 8:43:24 PM PDT by RoloSport
Thank you for helping me make my point. And my point wasn’t that UFOs exist or not.
IIRC, Stanton Friedman and some of the rest of us are convinced on reasonable evidence that Carl Sagan was on the government payroll as a debunker.
Real objective job, that. LOL.
Thanks tons.
Much appreciate your first person report.
Please check your FREEPMAIL.
Not at all. But even to this day we can only get electrons to accelerate to 99.99999% of the speed of light. It very much appears to be asymptotic.
“An engineer will tell you that it's an absolute ... like the firmness of the earth.”
Well, that was conjecture. No math to support the assumption.
When we break the speed of light barrier, I will adjust my ideas. Could it happen? Maybe. But Star Trek and Star Wars and warp speed and hyperspace are still science “fiction.”
Personally, I think the universe is teaming with life. Where conditions allow, life will occur. Whether such life is as advanced as we are can't be said for sure. Whether they can visit us or not can't be ascertained either.
Either way, the axiom still holds. “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.” - Marcello Truzzi
“And what proof do you have that you are Gordon’s sone? (ok, I believe you... just joking ... and making a point... no need to post personal info here).”
Well, it’s not much of a claim. I mean, somebody had to be his kid, right? Besides, I had nothing to do with what he did.
So far, I have eight U.S. utility patents issued to me with five more pending. I can't tell you how many times I've heard, “If it's such a great idea, why hasn't it been done before?”
When my business partner and I have licensed them to other companies, we always get resistance. My partner calls it NIMBY (not in my back yard). It's actually NIH (not invented here).
I believe in God. I believe in love. I believe in the wisdom of charity.
But I no more believe in the paranormal than I believe in math. I know math is real, the same way I know paranormal phenomenon is real.
Ten centuries ago, the majority of the world's people had never laid eyes on the ocean, so it's certain that many thought stories of its existence were either false or exaggerated. Those who had actually seen the ocean could only shrug and smile; it's the same with those of us who have actually experienced paranormal phenomenon. We can only shrug and smile at people who think that "belief" has anything to do with whether it exists or not.
Thanks!
Good story.
Either you "know, or don't know", belief has nothing to do with it.
Finny, thanks for posting.
I concur. Well said.
“Either you “know, or don’t know”, belief has nothing to do with it.”
The above statement was also made by the Swiss Psychiatrist Carl Jung during a BBC interview when asked if he believed in God. Not in those exact words though.
So how is this for a conspiracy theory....
Now I can’t say this for a certainty, just food for thought....the UFO phenomenon was used by the Soviets as part of their propaganda and Subversion in the Western World to weaken peoples belief in Religion and make it easier to change the culture and make it more receptive to Marxism.
This theory is just as plausible if not much more so, as some of the theories I’ve read explaining UFOs. Again, just food for thought.
What reasonable evidence?
What exactly have you seen? Please share it with the rest of us.
Of course UFOs exist. What doesn’t exist is visitors from other planets.
I would accept UFOs being all of the following before I accept the theory that UFOs come from another star system.
A) UFOs are military craft.
B) A trick of the mind.
C) Alternate Earth.
D) Future earth (time travelers).
E) Alternate non earth like Dimension (Origin of demons, and things that go bump in the night).
I would believe in UFOs being my selections of A through E before I accept UFOs from another planet.
“Dr. Josef Allen Hynek”
I’ve only ever seen him referred to as “J. Allen Hynek”
My first post was about something weird.
My B is natural phenomena.
I have no doubt that there are a plethora of civilizations out there and some have conquered space travel. I think a “primative” civilization like ours would be interesting to them especially since we have the capability of extingushing ourselves. The idea that just because we can’t travel interstellar distances doesn’t mean that some one else can’t
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