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Astronaut Edgar Mitchell makes news about UFO’s and Extraterrestrials.

Posted on 09/27/2009 8:43:24 PM PDT by RoloSport

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To: Daniel II

Thank you for helping me make my point. And my point wasn’t that UFOs exist or not.


41 posted on 09/28/2009 12:14:12 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: EAGLE7

IIRC, Stanton Friedman and some of the rest of us are convinced on reasonable evidence that Carl Sagan was on the government payroll as a debunker.

Real objective job, that. LOL.


42 posted on 09/28/2009 12:15:08 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: StolarStorm

Thanks tons.

Much appreciate your first person report.

Please check your FREEPMAIL.


43 posted on 09/28/2009 12:17:10 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
“Sounds like you think that 100% of what's in all the physics books is 100% accurate.”

Not at all. But even to this day we can only get electrons to accelerate to 99.99999% of the speed of light. It very much appears to be asymptotic.

“An engineer will tell you that it's an absolute ... like the firmness of the earth.”

Well, that was conjecture. No math to support the assumption.

When we break the speed of light barrier, I will adjust my ideas. Could it happen? Maybe. But Star Trek and Star Wars and warp speed and hyperspace are still science “fiction.”

Personally, I think the universe is teaming with life. Where conditions allow, life will occur. Whether such life is as advanced as we are can't be said for sure. Whether they can visit us or not can't be ascertained either.

Either way, the axiom still holds. “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.” - Marcello Truzzi

44 posted on 09/28/2009 12:34:42 AM PDT by Daniel II (I'm Jim Thompson, this is my brother Jimmy, and this is my other brother Jimmy)
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To: Daniel II
Oh, I can't resist... even though I'm about to go to sleep.

Of course we can't exceed the speed of light. That isn't necessary for interstellar travel. Just very long commute times...

and also consider, the part that Quantum teleportation (not talking sci fi, look up the research papers yourself) could play in such extended travel.

I'm just glad that there was a cave man that dreamed of the wheel, when the skeptics told him not to bother. We don't know what's possible yet, so conjecture about method is useless.

“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.”

And what proof do you have that you are Gordon's sone? (ok, I believe you... just joking ... and making a point... no need to post personal info here).
45 posted on 09/28/2009 12:49:21 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: StolarStorm

“And what proof do you have that you are Gordon’s sone? (ok, I believe you... just joking ... and making a point... no need to post personal info here).”

Well, it’s not much of a claim. I mean, somebody had to be his kid, right? Besides, I had nothing to do with what he did.


46 posted on 09/28/2009 12:59:30 AM PDT by Daniel II (I'm Jim Thompson, this is my brother Jimmy, and this is my other brother Jimmy)
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To: StolarStorm
“I'm just glad that there was a cave man that dreamed of the wheel, when the skeptics told him not to bother. We don't know what's possible yet, so conjecture about method is useless.”

So far, I have eight U.S. utility patents issued to me with five more pending. I can't tell you how many times I've heard, “If it's such a great idea, why hasn't it been done before?”

When my business partner and I have licensed them to other companies, we always get resistance. My partner calls it NIMBY (not in my back yard). It's actually NIH (not invented here).

47 posted on 09/28/2009 1:29:42 AM PDT by Daniel II (I'm Jim Thompson, this is my brother Jimmy, and this is my other brother Jimmy)
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To: EAGLE7
[Mitchell] believes in the paranormal ...

I believe in God. I believe in love. I believe in the wisdom of charity.

But I no more believe in the paranormal than I believe in math. I know math is real, the same way I know paranormal phenomenon is real.

Ten centuries ago, the majority of the world's people had never laid eyes on the ocean, so it's certain that many thought stories of its existence were either false or exaggerated. Those who had actually seen the ocean could only shrug and smile; it's the same with those of us who have actually experienced paranormal phenomenon. We can only shrug and smile at people who think that "belief" has anything to do with whether it exists or not.

48 posted on 09/28/2009 1:38:25 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Quix

Thanks!
Good story.


49 posted on 09/28/2009 1:40:52 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Finny; Quix
...it's the same with those of us who have actually experienced paranormal phenomenon. We can only shrug and smile at people who think that "belief" has anything to do with whether it exists or not.

Either you "know, or don't know", belief has nothing to do with it.

Finny, thanks for posting.

50 posted on 09/28/2009 2:14:10 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave (To anger a Conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a Liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
"Either you "know, or don't know", belief has nothing to do with it."

I concur. Well said.

51 posted on 09/28/2009 5:06:04 AM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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“Either you “know, or don’t know”, belief has nothing to do with it.”

The above statement was also made by the Swiss Psychiatrist Carl Jung during a BBC interview when asked if he believed in God. Not in those exact words though.
So how is this for a conspiracy theory....
Now I can’t say this for a certainty, just food for thought....the UFO phenomenon was used by the Soviets as part of their propaganda and Subversion in the Western World to weaken peoples belief in Religion and make it easier to change the culture and make it more receptive to Marxism.

This theory is just as plausible if not much more so, as some of the theories I’ve read explaining UFOs. Again, just food for thought.


52 posted on 09/28/2009 5:57:14 AM PDT by EAGLE7 (They MAY take our lives but they'll never take our freedom!)
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To: Quix

What reasonable evidence?


53 posted on 09/28/2009 5:58:54 AM PDT by EAGLE7 (They MAY take our lives but they'll never take our freedom!)
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To: StolarStorm

What exactly have you seen? Please share it with the rest of us.


54 posted on 09/28/2009 6:00:54 AM PDT by EAGLE7 (They MAY take our lives but they'll never take our freedom!)
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To: RoloSport

Of course UFOs exist. What doesn’t exist is visitors from other planets.


55 posted on 09/28/2009 6:04:42 AM PDT by yazoo (Conservatives believe what they see. Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: yazoo; Quix
That is my take also, yazoo.

I would accept UFOs being all of the following before I accept the theory that UFOs come from another star system.

A) UFOs are military craft.

B) A trick of the mind.

C) Alternate Earth.

D) Future earth (time travelers).

E) Alternate non earth like Dimension (Origin of demons, and things that go bump in the night).

I would believe in UFOs being my selections of A through E before I accept UFOs from another planet.

56 posted on 09/28/2009 6:34:55 AM PDT by Nikas777 (En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
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To: RoloSport

“Dr. Josef Allen Hynek”

I’ve only ever seen him referred to as “J. Allen Hynek”


57 posted on 09/28/2009 6:41:13 AM PDT by PLMerite (Speak Truth to Stupid.)
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To: sig226

My first post was about something weird.


58 posted on 09/28/2009 6:42:48 AM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: Nikas777

My B is natural phenomena.


59 posted on 09/28/2009 6:43:18 AM PDT by yazoo (Conservatives believe what they see. Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: StolarStorm

I have no doubt that there are a plethora of civilizations out there and some have conquered space travel. I think a “primative” civilization like ours would be interesting to them especially since we have the capability of extingushing ourselves. The idea that just because we can’t travel interstellar distances doesn’t mean that some one else can’t


60 posted on 09/28/2009 6:43:52 AM PDT by jesseam (Been there, done that)
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