Whether You Like it or Not - California Will Legalize Pot Next Year

cbs47 ^ | 9-27-09 | cakid1

[cakid1]

Whether You Like it or Not - California Will Legalize Pot Next Year

(That seems to be the idea behind a new article out today)

According to a well known, and outspoken leader from the left it’s a good bet that the state will legalize Pot next year.

Part of the reason?

The state needs...

[CowboyJay]

"Pot was made illegal here during the new deal era"

The biggest push for prohibition came from the KKK, and their Women's Auxiliary wing, A.K.A. the Women's Christian Temperance Union. The regulation of intoxicants is clearly not an enumerated power. California is big enough that the feds won't dare get in a pissing match. This would be a good step toward getting the fed.gov back on some kind of constitutional leash.

[Mojave]

The regulation of intoxicants is clearly not an enumerated power.

Somebody should have told George Washington and the 1st Congress.

[philman_36]

I see you’re doing your shtick over here as well.

[philman_36]

The regulation of intoxicants is clearly not an enumerated power.

You replied...Somebody should have told George Washington and the 1st Congress.
But...but...it was about taxes, not regulating intoxicants...wasn't it?

The Whiskey Rebellion
In 1790, the new national government of the United States was attempting to establish itself. Because the government had assumed the debts incurred by the colonies during the Revolution the government was deep in debt. During the 1791 winter session of Congress both houses approved a bill that put an excise tax on all distilled spirits.

Where is the regulation? Is mere taxation regulation?

[philman_36]

And if taxation is regulation then how is gasoline, which is taxed, regulated? (beyond its content, that is)

[philman_36]

And what about tobacco?
History of Tobacco Regulation
As the subsection says...REGULATION FOR REVENUE...
...it was "regulated" (a law was established) for revenue.
It's all about taxes, not use.

[Palin Republic]

>Does that include the 30% of them that had their pushers arrested and which were shut down last month?

Most of them, yes. Because almost all of them were back open for business within days.

Buy you’d rather play the obtuse assclown than acknowledge your inability to change the situation.

Whatever helps you with your impotent rage problem, I guess.

[Palin Republic]

Willie was promoting nothing. He is simply reporting facts with which you choose to refuse to deal.

Dishonesty won’t make your impotent rage any more effective at changing the fact that legal weed is for sale in San Diego every day of the week.

You poor old thing, there’s nothing you can do but wallow in your resentment of the situation. Too bad, so sad.

[Palin Republic]

>I see you’re doing your shtick over here as well.

Most people have too much self-respect to shamelessly shill for the jackboots and pretend to be too stupid to understand simple facts.

Even Tom McClintock respects the 10th Amendment rights of California and Californians.

I’d like to see Mojave call McClintock a leftist dope pusher for this:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Governor/Tom_McClintock_Drugs.htm

Supports medical marijuana use under Prop 215

Q: In 1996, California voters approved Proposition 215, legalizing medicinal marijuana for those seriously ill. Now the federal government has continued to challenge the law, does not seem to recognize it. Do you support or oppose the use of medical marijuana and would you continue to support that proposition?

McCLINTOCK: the people of California spoke clearly on that subject. The federal government has no right to intervene.

Source: Recall debate in Walnut Creek Sep 3, 2003

[philman_36]

I’d like to see Mojave call McClintock a leftist dope pusher for this:...
He wouldn't do that. He'd skirt it and ask "Have you stopped beating your wife?"
He does stuff like that.

[Palin Republic]

What an intellectually dishonest person.

Who does Mojave think he’s fooling with his slimy weasel lawyer impersonation?

Nobody else takes his side or offers him support, yet he persists in attacking others while ignoring anything inconvenient that’s put to him.

Seems like only a troll or a prison guard union member would do such things, not a genuine, respectable person.

[CowboyJay]

"Somebody should have told George Washington and the 1st Congress."

Good catch. I'd forgotten all about the Whiskey Rebellion. There's obviously a constitutional argument for taxation, or possibly even a prohibition on interstate trade of intoxicants under the Interstate Commerce Clause.

As for outright federal criminalization - shaky ground, at best. Especially when you consider the WOD indirectly funds operations like MS13 and the Taliban. Hard to argue that it's 'promoting the general welfare'.

[Mojave]

Q: In 1996, California voters approved Proposition 215, legalizing medicinal marijuana for those seriously ill. Now the federal government has continued to challenge the law, does not seem to recognize it. Do you support or oppose the use of medical marijuana and would you continue to support that proposition?

McCLINTOCK: the people of California spoke clearly on that subject. The federal government has no right to intervene.

I agree completely. And the federal government has NOT interfered with Proposition 215, which as you may recall does NOT authorize sales.

[Mojave]

He'd skirt it and ask "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

You're so full of dope. Find any post where I ever opposed Proposition 215 or called for its invalidation or repeal.

If you look hard enough you might just be able to find a couple of posts where I disagreed with robertpaulsen on the issue.

[Mojave]

Willie was promoting nothing.

Bzzzzt Your leftwing hero was promoting the legalization of pot.

“…There is just too much money to be made both by the people who grow marijuana and the cities and counties that would be able to tax it.” …Willie Brown

[Mojave]

Because almost all of them were back open for business within days.

You never source your lies.

[Mojave]

it was "regulated" (a law was established) for revenue.

"Section 19 gave details of how the casks were to be branded. Section 24 specified that 'Proprietors of stills' were to keep written accounts of the hours the still was operated and the quantity of liquor it produced"

See http://www.motherbedford.com/Whiskey.htm

Still operators who failed to abide by the regulations were subject to seizure.

[Mojave]

And if taxation is regulation then how is gasoline, which is taxed, regulated?

Its content. As you've already tacitly admitted,

[Mojave]

Where is the regulation?

See post #377.

[Mojave]

I see you’re doing your shtick over here as well.

Dopers smear the Founders across multiple threads. When I see 'em, I refute 'em.