Whether You Like it or Not - California Will Legalize Pot Next Year

cbs47 ^ | 9-27-09 | cakid1

[cakid1]

Whether You Like it or Not - California Will Legalize Pot Next Year

(That seems to be the idea behind a new article out today)

According to a well known, and outspoken leader from the left it’s a good bet that the state will legalize Pot next year.

Part of the reason?

The state needs...

[WVKayaker]

Crawl back under your rock.

Wow, I'm impressed at the lucidity and impact of your thoughts...

"Just the facts, ma'am ..."

3 things Marijuana doesn't do!

(1) NO BRAIN DAMAGE SEEN IN MARIJUANA-EXPOSED MONKEYS

Two new scientific studies have failed to find evidence of brain damage in monkeys exposed to marijuana, undercutting claims that marijuana causes brain damage in humans.

The studies were conducted by two independent research groups. The first, conducted by Dr. William Slikker, Jr. and others at the National Center for Toxicological Research in Arkansas examined some 64 rhesus monkeys, half of which were exposed to daily or weekly doses of marijuana smoke for a year. The other, by Gordon T. Pryor and Charles Rebert at SRI International in Menlo Park, California, which is still unpublished, looked at over 30 rhesus monkeys that had inhaled marijuana one to three times a day over periods of 6 to 12 months. Neither study found evidence of structural or neurochemical changes in the brains of the monkeys when examined a few months after cessation of smoking.

The new results cast doubt on earlier studies purporting to show brain damage in animals. The most famous of these was a study by Dr. Robert Heath, who claimed to find brain damage in three monkeys heavily exposed to cannabis. Heath's results failed to win general acceptance in the scientific community because of the small number of subjects, questionable controls, and heavy doses.

Subsequent rat experiments by Dr. Slikker and others reported persistent structural changes in the brain cells of rats chronically exposed to THC. The studies did not show that pot kills brain cells, as alleged by some pot critics, but they did show degeneration of the nerve connections between brain cells in the hippocampus, where THC is known to be active.

Although scientists have regarded the animal evidence as inconclusive, some critics have cited it as proof that pot causes brain damage in humans. Thus Andrew Mecca, the director of California Department of Alcohol and Drug Abuse, recently stated on the Ron Reagan, Jr. talk show (Sep. 2, 1991) that marijuana "leaves a black protein substance in the synaptic cleft" of brain cells, a claim apparently based on Heath's monkeys. When asked by a NORML member for his evidence, Mecca sent a list of three references, none of which turned out to have anything to do with brain damage.

(2) POT FOUND NOT TO CAUSE FETAL ALCOHOL SYNDROME

A new study of children born to marijuana-smoking mothers found no link between marijuana exposure and the birth defects of fetal alcohol syndrome (FAS). The new study, by Dr. Susan J. Astley of the University of Washington, published in the January, 1992 issue of Pediatrics, contradicted a 1982 study by Dr. Ralph Hingson, in which prenatal exposure to marijuana was found to increase the risk of FAS.

Hingson's results, which have not been replicated, have been questioned on various methodological grounds, in particular the difficulty of controlling for combined drinking and pot use.

The new study looked for facial deformities symptomatic of FAS in 40 children whose mothers had smoked marijuana heavily during pregnancy and 40 controls, It found no association between marijuana and FAS, but deformities were observed in children of women who drank 2 ounces of alcohol per day or took cocaine.

(3) NEW STUDY FINDS POT DOESN'T LOWER TESTOSTERONE

A new study by Dr. Robert Block at the University of Iowa disputes the commonly held notion that marijuana alters the level of testosterone and other sex hormones.

The study contradicted a widely publicized 1974 study by Dr. R.C. Kolodony, which reported decreased testosterone levels in men who smoked marijuana chronically.

The U. of Iowa study found that chronic marijuana use had no effect on testosterone, luteinizing hormone, follicle stimulating hormone, prolactin and cortisol in men or women.

Noting that six other studies had failed to show lowered testosterone levels in men, Dr. Block concluded: "It appears that marijuana, even heavy use of the kind that's typical in the United States, doesn't alter testosterone levels."

[WVKayaker]

If alcohol is legal, then dope has to be legal too.

Leftist Entitlement Logic 101.

Ad hominem make your point? Nah!

Founding Fathers Entitlement 101.

If alcohol is legal, then dope has to be legal. Give me a Constitutional quote which contradicts the statement.

History affords us many instances of the ruin of states...the ordaining of laws in favor of one part of the nation to the prejudice and oppression of another, is certainly the most erroneous and mistaken policy...An equal dispensation of protection, rights, privileges, and advantages, is what every part is entitled to, and ought to enjoy... -Ben Franklin

[Mojave]

NO BRAIN DAMAGE SEEN IN MARIJUANA-EXPOSED MONKEYS

Well then, the voters just have to legalize it. You're entitled.

[Mojave]

An equal dispensation of protection, rights, privileges, and advantages, is what every part is entitled to, and ought to enjoy... -Ben Franklin

Yep, both conservatives and leftists should be equally subject to the laws against illicit drugs.

[WVKayaker]

Why should it be subject to a vote. Was it criminalized by a vote?

You keep spouting 'entitlement" like it only relates to the "liberal philosophy of social justice". Yet, you show no merit to any discussion, only ad hominem spoutings and puerile reflections of natural law.

[Mojave]

Why should it be subject to a vote.

Because we have a republican form of government.

"The first principle of republicanism is that the lex majoris partis is the fundamental law of every society of individuals of equal rights; to consider the will of the society enounced by the majority of a single vote as sacred as if unanimous is the first of all lessons in importance, yet the last which is thoroughly learnt. This law once disregarded, no other remains but that of force, which ends necessarily in military despotism." --Thomas Jefferson

[WVKayaker]

My question “was it criminalized with a vote”?

[Mojave]

My question “was it criminalized with a vote”?

Yes. I didn't realize such an ignorant question was serious.

[WVKayaker]

If the question is ignorant, please cite me when the people voted on the question. I have seen lots of votes to de-criminalize, but never saw where it was made illegal by a vote of the people. Please enlighten us.

While we're you at it, we can debate the 18th and 21st Amendments. Ignorant? LOL...

[Mojave]

If the question is ignorant, please cite me when the people voted on the question.

The people voted for their representatives, who then voted the law into effect.

"A government is republican in proportion as every member composing it has his equal voice in the direction of its concerns: not indeed in person, which would be impracticable beyond the limits of a city or small township, but by representatives chosen by himself and responsible to him at short periods." --Thomas Jefferson

The ignorance of the left is like a bottomless well.

[Mojave]

While we're you at it, we can debate the 18th and 21st Amendments.

The 18th and 21st Amendments to the California State Constitution? You do realize that this entire thread involves STATE law?

[WVKayaker]

Please cite where the people of California voted to make marijuana illegal.

[Mojave]

Please cite where the people of California voted to make marijuana illegal.

The people voted for their representatives, who then voted the law into effect.

"A government is republican in proportion as every member composing it has his equal voice in the direction of its concerns: not indeed in person, which would be impracticable beyond the limits of a city or small township, but by representatives chosen by himself and responsible to him at short periods." --Thomas Jefferson

[WVKayaker]

So, in other words, the PEOPLE did not vote for it.

I am a conservative, currently registered as Republican here in WV. We are more libertarian here. We speak guns and liberty. Your cute lefty references don't validate anything. You have made no argument past your love for controlling the behavior of others. Obama would love you...

[Mojave]

So, in other words, the PEOPLE did not vote for it.

The people expressed their will through their elected representatives. The left hates lawful government.

Modern times have the signal advantage, too, of having discovered the only device by which these rights can be secured, to wit: government by the people, acting not in person, but by representatives chosen by themselves, that is to say, by every man of ripe years and sane mind, who contributes either by his purse or person to the support of his country." --Thomas Jefferson

Obama would love you...

Backwards. That pothead has acted to blocked enforcement of federal drug laws and to protect the drug dens posing as clinics in California.

[WVKayaker]

The people expressed their will through their elected representatives. The left hates lawful government.

Then why be bitching about Obama???

[Mojave]

Then why be bitching about Obama???

He, like you, hates the law and feels no need to abide by it.

[WVKayaker]

They are lawfully elected representatives which you are proud to support. Which way do you want it? You've tried three tactics so far, and nothing gets any closer to the truth. You argue to keep a program of destruction wrought by the drug-supported police state, called the "war on (some) drugs".

The ingestion, inhaling, or other internal use of ANYTHING is a personal liberty. What part of that is unclear? The restriction thereof contradicts the very reason we have a country. We were founded on protection of INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY! Has that changed?

Don't forget to "click it or Ticket"." Always Drive 55" and never forget "Seatbelt laws will never be a primary offense"...

[Mojave]

They are lawfully elected representatives which you are proud to support.

To the extent that he act lawfully.

The ingestion, inhaling, or other internal use of ANYTHING is a personal liberty.

Leftists love idiotic euphemisms. Dope is illegal.

"The voluntary support of laws, formed by persons of their own choice, distinguishes peculiarly the minds capable of self-government. The contrary spirit is anarchy, which of necessity produces despotism." --Thomas Jefferson

[WVKayaker]

You wish to put "qualifying statements" and calling "leftist" has made no positive advancement of your theory. Your quote from TJ saying "formed by persons of their own choice" is contrary to your posit.

Pot was made illegal when alcohol became legal under the 21st Amdt. Thanks to support from the "beverage industry" (for reference, see: Joe Kennedy, et al), suddenly "black people were dancing with white women... "

Lions and tigers and bears, OH MY! Follow the money, and keep your hands off my stuff!