Posted on 09/27/2009 5:04:44 AM PDT by J. Neil Schulman
So, if the baby has an obstruction in his throat you can kill him?
The argument that life begins with breath hence abortion is acceptable is one of convenience not one of rigor or reverence.
How about joining in on the forum you started, instead of posting and running?
I posted then went to bed. Woke up to find 100 messages in reply, which manage to debate the article nicely in my absence.
Every stillborn baby starts that way as well.
Maybe Turkey (Ottoman Empire)>Armenian genocide? I think the O Empire was mostly Islamic. Also the french Revolution, except it has the stench of leftism also.
You are right that whenevr Leftism gets power the possibility of Democide is much, much higher.
I do not advocate abortion.
I also find the argument against abortion based upon human life beginning at conception to be erroneous, based upon Montanist Traducianism, rather than the Scriptural position of Creationism.
This is based upon an argument supporting creationism rather than traducianism. Jerome and Augustine favored the Creationist position. Tertullian as a Montanist favored traducianism, but he also didn’t think the soul was separate from the material, evolving from the idea that even the material didn’t exist.
Tertullian advanced some great doctrine (Trinitas, Hypostatic Union), but on the note of the soul being transferred mediately by third parties, instead of directly from God is not on track.
Right wing, freedom loving Americanism is pretty unique to the US and a few other nations that try to emulate us.
1. If it isn't human, what is it?
2. If it isn't alive, what is it?
And before we get sidetracked into a fruitless discussion of soul, I'd like to point out that those two questions were asked by a prominent atheist who came to his own inescapable and rather uncomfortable (to him) conclusion about abortion. You must either redefine "murder" as something other than the taking of a human life or you must concede the point.
Inconvenient.
Regarding your statement about when a fetus is a person (based upon your religious beliefs regarding souls) does this mean that the atheists among us have freedom to murder anyone at all since they don’t believe in the concept of a soul?
Everyone has the freedom to commit murder, whether they are atheist or theist, and to stand before God’s judgment afterward.
Billthedrill wrote:
“Regarding your statement on abortion, I have two questions for you concerning the unborn child:
“1. If it isn’t human, what is it?”
You use the word “human” in your first question as an adjective. Using the word “human” as an adjective to modify other nouns, there are human beings, human artifacts, human events, human corpses. The “unborn child” in your question
is either a human embryo or a human fetus. Using the modifier “human” does not answer the question of whether terminating the growth of a human embryo or fetus is murder. That question requires additional information within a fully-defined context.
“2. If it isn’t alive, what is it?”
Being alive is a necessary but not sufficient condition to being a creature endowed by its Creator with human unalienable rights.
By the way, my argument that the statement “Abortion is murder” is a lie means that those who argue that “all abortions are murders” is a lie. I have not argued, nor have I eliminated the possibility, that some abortions — such as the termination of a fully-formed viable fetus — may constitute a homicide.
JNS
I posted it first as plaintext and it posted too small for me to read without oversizing the screen text of everything else. I increased the type size to one comfortable to me and others who need reading glasses, so as not to require oversizing the screen text for everyone else.
Destroying the avenue by which a soul would have come into the world may well cause the ref to impose a penalty and hand the ball to the other team.
Thanks much! :-)
Cordoning off a crime scene for collection of forensic evidence, and analysis of the collected evidence, could be conducted by any number of NGO job descriptions. Legal standards for chain-of-custody can exist in a market-based system the same way other technical standards exist in any number of industries.
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That’s an acronym for “Refuting Arrogant Twits”?
Thank you! :-)
All I know is that I reviewed your posting history.
You signed up a few years ago to shill a book...
A year or so later you posted to shill another book...
6 months or so later you posted to shill another book...
No posts in between and no commentary in between.
It makes it look like you are using FR
as a resource to shill books.
Correct me if I am wrong.
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