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Saul Alinsky was more than a Marxist who inspired Barack Obama
1 posted on 09/22/2009 4:55:45 PM PDT by LGardenier
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To: LGardenier

I have never understood atheists. They hate what they do not believe exist. Seems like a lot of wasted effort.


2 posted on 09/22/2009 5:05:10 PM PDT by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: LGardenier

atheism boils down to 3 things: sex, more sex and damn you if I can’t get any more sex.


4 posted on 09/22/2009 5:17:11 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Fiscal conservatism without social conservatism is dead.)
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To: LGardenier; Kolokotronis
A theomachist is one who works against God; hates God in fact.

Really?

So that would make Andromache, wife of Hector, the "man-hater"? Colorful! Reminds me of the former chief of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, "Wilma Mankiller."

6 posted on 09/22/2009 5:45:21 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("USAF fighters are the sound of freedom; children are the sound of the future of the Church.")
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To: LGardenier

Wow click on the link and scroll down to ‘Green is for Islam’....it’s coming.


7 posted on 09/22/2009 5:45:57 PM PDT by Freddd
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To: LGardenier

The truly bizarre thing is how the roots to socialism, and even atheism, are based in the “Judeo-Christian” mythology (using the term in a respectful way). For example, socialists, and even atheists have incorporated early Biblical ideas into their philosophy.

Their idea is to replace God with the concept of “man”, that Thomas Hobbes called “Leviathan”, that mankind *as a whole* “replicates” the actions of God, according to God’s actions in the Pentateuch.

To start at the beginning, which from mankind’s point of view is the Garden of Eden, the socialist-atheist version is called “The State of Nature”, first elucidated by Jean-Jacques Rousseau, who created the “Theory of Natural Man”. Had man just not bitten into the fruit of the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil, everything would have been fine and wonderful. Man would be just another happy animal.

And thus socialism, and particularly environmentalism, has this as their ultimate goal: to utterly reject the “knowledge of good and evil”, and thus return to The State of Nature, or Eden.

This explains much about their abject immorality, and moral relativism. One of the first experiments of communism was traditionally “free love”, which always lasted about as long as you might imagine, given venereal disease and the utter defiance of human biology.

It is taken to such an extreme that neo-socialists have a great fear and distrust of those who assert morality, or even ethics. Bill Clinton would not allow a person not perverted or corrupt anywhere near him.

But other lessons from the Book of Genesis, are also examined in an effort to replicate them. For example, Nimrod is looked at very favorably, because by building the Tower of Babel, he sought to challenge the supremacy of God. Something perfectly understandable to Al Gore, who thinks himself godlike in his ability to control the weather.

Yet the parallels are not taken too far, because an essential element of socialism is that their greatest enemy is history. History does not exist in The State of Nature, and history, uncorrupted, closely equals the knowledge of good and evil. Much of the historical record is in effect *remembering* good and evil.

For this reason, socialist thinkers, like Ralph Waldo Emerson, imagined mankind as being split between the ignorant masses, the great majority, being led by a minority socialist elites, those that “get it”. The purpose of such elites is to cajole the masses into socialism, then keep them there in perpetuity, by whatever means necessary.

Since history, even anecdotal tales or stories, cannot be completely extinguished, the job of the elites is to corrupt them as needed to their agenda. And in illustration of this, Emerson took the Biblical tale of Nebuchadnezzar, and twisted it around, making Nebuchadnezzar the hero.

Nebuchadnezzar rejects nature, and seeks to artificially control it, and by doing so is driven mad. But finally he “goes green”, his sanity is restored, and he recovers his natural power to control nature.

Daniel is not even mentioned, his purpose unimportant to “the lesson”.

This elitism was a very attractive feature to many socialists, caught as they were between pretending a superiority complex, while trapped in the throes of an inferiority complex.

One of the great proponents of this elitism was George Fitzhugh, who in his book “Cannibals All!: Or, Slaves Without Masters”, who truly expressed the heights of proto-socialism. His theory was that the elites, who should be the “Masters”, only exist in a ratio of one for every 10 “Slaves”. Not just a defense of the institution of slavery, he said that slavery was so good, that nine out of every ten people should be slaves.

Of course he, and it was assumed the readers of his book, would think of themselves as “Masters”, because they agreed with him. And he went on at length how the “Slaves” should be very grateful to the “Masters” for doing the “hard work” of ruling over them.

Doesn’t that sound a lot like the leadership of the Democrat party?

Yet it all goes back to a heretical reading of the Bible. And much of atheism embraces this, while totally unaware that what they want out of life is just a terribly corrupted and arrogant version of that which they hate.


11 posted on 09/22/2009 6:31:55 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: LGardenier

Jesus said “He who is not for me is against me”. So, atheists, theomachists, those who never muster up enough give-a-$%#^ to even bother thinking about it - they’re all the same.


18 posted on 09/23/2009 8:25:11 AM PDT by T Minus Four
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