Dylan Ping
Posted on 09/17/2009 9:28:59 AM PDT by pissant
Did you watch that Video in 20? He still makes it work for some songs. Other’s - not so much
I stand corrected! Awesome!!!
Hello, Scotty
So to you, consequential means what sells?
Even by that standard it is hard to say that Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Oasis and Radiohead were not consequential at their height.
I mean Nickelback sells tons of albums, and they are about a 4th generation Pearl Jam wannabe.
Nirvana put grunge and Seattle on the musical map.
Oasis brought Britpop to America and sold a lot of albums..
Radiohead again brought a particular style to fame. Without them, you don’t have Coldplay and the other mopey artists like that.
They all set the tone to sell lots of albums from themselves and other artists.
The White Stripes never sold as much and the Garage Rock revival they brought about was relatively shortlived compared to the other “moments” that the other artists ushered in, but I think they are still worth mentioning.
In fact, the one that inspired the fewest imitators, is the rap group I have on the list. Outkast even with the huge Speakerboxxx/Love Below album they didn’t have imitators (best selling rap album ever BTW). This is a fact that makes me sad.
I included Wilco because I was going off a different conception of “consequential”, that of what albums from the last 20 years can be mentioned in the same breath as Pet Sounds and it not be a joke.
You also seem to hint that to be consequential the music form has to be relatively new. Then I would say, LCD Soundsystem, Moby and Girl Talk would be the consequential artists even though only Moby has had mainstream success. They are the ones using technology in a way that couldn’t previously be done.
Howdy! I’m back on the East Coast...ugh.
I hope the artwork comes to NYC. I would like to check it out in person.
I’ll let you know if it comes back to the Hendrix Museuem here in Seattle again. Give ya a reason to come back out west.
BTW, the worst I saw him was when he was backed by Petty & the Heartbreakers. Uhg.
Good one. She gets it!
I knew Barry — I did door-to-door for him as a YAF kid in 64. It was Dylan that was the surprise.
It's a factor.
Even by that standard it is hard to say that Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Oasis and Radiohead were not consequential at their height.
I'm thinking more in terms of style. Who did something fresh, that hadn't been done. Grunge wasn't really anything new. It was just "alternative rock." And grunge was gone within a couple of years. What influence did it have on the culture? Dress? yeah, like no one had seen a flannel shirt before. The one thing I will give to grunge is that it made low voices more popular than high voices. But that was already happening before grunge hit.
Oasis brought Britpop to America and sold a lot of albums..
There was this thingy called the British Invasion? Ever heard of it?
Radiohead again brought a particular style to fame. Without them, you don’t have Coldplay and the other mopey artists like that.
Coldplay owes more to U2 than anyone else (maybe throw in Enya lol). Radiohead? I don't consider them consequential at all. Just nerd rock with no impact.
The White Stripes never sold as much and the Garage Rock revival they brought about was relatively shortlived compared to the other “moments” that the other artists ushered in, but I think they are still worth mentioning.
Again, a revival. I don't consider rehashing as consequential.
I included Wilco because I was going off a different conception of “consequential”, that of what albums from the last 20 years can be mentioned in the same breath as Pet Sounds and it not be a joke.
I won't even comment on Wilco, because they suck, and no one really cares about them at all.
All those bands you mention are just repackaging and tweaking well-established forms. They conform to the fashion of the day and rehash existing modes of music.
The only music in the last 20 years that radically departed from existing forms is RAP. It's been a huge influence. It's changed music forever. And it's also been a huge influence on language, on dress, on attitudes and culture. Nothing else even comes close. Some nerdy college rock albums don't hold a candle to rap when it comes to impact. Not by a long shot.
And I don't even like rap. But facts are facts. Wilco? They've had zero impact on pop culture. None.
I saw him with the Dead a few times and it was pretty painful.
I remember not being able to get off work to see that show. After hearing the results later, I was glad. LOL
I would like to see some actual albums you find consequential. From what I am reading your definition is so narrow it would make for some pretty crazy things.
For instance. Led Zeppelin didn’t do anything that hadn’t been done before, therefore no consequential albums. Truly odd considering the impact they had on music.
Rubber Soul is the only consequential Beatles album as it is the one that inspired Pet Sounds which in turn inspired Sgt. Peppers. But as it all originally builds on Rubber Soul.
It is an interesting take but I can’t agree with it.
I think it is too early to fully pass judgment on Wilco. I wouldn’t think of saying they suck. In fact I find even the thought repellent. But it is hard to say what influence they will have on music when what is considered their best album is less than a decade old. How long did it take for The Velvet Underground & Nico’s effect to be felt? Surely you think that is a consequential album.
Most of Zeppelin’s impact comes from Jimmy Page. He did a lot of stuff on the guitar at a level beyond what the others were doing. His combination of hard blues, exotic music, and folk, was pretty much a new thing. Some of it was foreshadowed by the Yardbirds, but that merely underlines the point. I’m not sure many guitarists were taking as full advantage of overdubbing as Page was in 69. The basic makeup of the band was similar to other British bands, the Who, the Small Faces, but Page in particular brought new things to the table (many of them stolen!)
I was talking about consequential bands/artists, not particular albums. I would say some consequential artists include Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Everly Brothers, Bob Dylan, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Kiss. From the 80s , I’d say Run DMC, NWA, and Madonna. From the 90s...Snoop Dogg,Dr Dre, Tupac, Metallica.
Is told "I'm sorry but what you have is a Rembrandt and a Stradivarius"
"What do you mean: you're sorry?"
"Well, Stradivarius never really made it as a painter"
It can’t be Dylan as I don’t see any blood on those tracks.
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