[Steelfish]

This demonstrates the final absurdity of the Reformation! No wonder Cardinal Henry Newman converted to Catholicism.

[hinckley buzzard]

It's wider than that. There have been plenty of guitar-slapping Masses around, too. Vatican II was used to abuse and devastate the Mother Church. Only the gift of JohnPaul the Great followed by the eminent B16 have secured the faith and rebuilt the church on the Rock.

[SoConPubbie]

This demonstrates the final absurdity of the Reformation! No wonder Cardinal Henry Newman converted to Catholicism.

I would disagree, since I am an adherent of the Gospel that John Wesley preached.

The fault is not in the Reformation, but in those who would water down the Gospel to put butts in the seats.

Fidelity to the gospel of "Repent and Believe" and "Ye must be born again!" no matter how many people are sitting in the pews should be the clarion call of those whose true calling is the delivery of the Gospel!

These days, we have preachers who have walked away from the weightier and meatier subject of Repentence for a Gospel of "Loving them into the Kingdom".

Without Repentence, there is no Faith. Without Faith, there is no Salvation. Without Salvation, there is no Heavan!