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JUST AS SHOCKING, IF NOT MORE SHOCKING!!!

Disease

'07 NIH
Research DOLLAR$

  Deaths
  Per  Disease

 $ Per Patient
Death

 $ Per Patient
HIV/AIDS

 2.9 Billion

  16,316
 178,046
   3,052
Cardiovascular Disease

 2.3 Billion

  871,500 
    2,639
     29
Diabetes

    1 Billion

  73,965 
   14,236
      50
Alzheimer’s Disease

644 Million

 72,696      8,859
      124
Prostate Cancer

373 Million

   27,350 
   13,638
      192
Parkinson’s Disease

205 Million

    17,898 
   12,403
      48  
Hepatitis C

121
Million

    12,000 
  10,166
       25

Hepatitis B

36
Million

   5,000 
     6,600
        32

COPD*

66
Million

  126,128
        500
          5 

Breast Cancer

716 Million

    40,910
    17,501
   3,967 

All Cancers

  5.5 Billion

 559,650
      9,888
   3,830 

West Nile Virus
  63 Million
        161
  390,304
 14,932


1 posted on 09/11/2009 3:07:19 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GODAWGS47; japaneseghost; Stentor; Marty; Fractal Trader; metmom; John Valentine; ...

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2 posted on 09/11/2009 3:08:37 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I’m not worried about the HIV virus specifically, as much as I am worried about other viruses and pathogens evolving to adopt the same mechanisms as the HIV virus.

Read the following brief on the mechanism the virus uses. Let me know if it doesn’t scare you:

http://denbeste.nu/essays/hiv.shtml


4 posted on 09/11/2009 3:12:03 PM PDT by OldSpice
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To: GodGunsGuts

Is there a chart that shows this trend in relation to deaths/cases and/or inflation. It would be interesting to see how the trend correlates to those (ie, is it an inverse?)


5 posted on 09/11/2009 3:15:35 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: GodGunsGuts

I am NOT surprised. Thanks for posting this...


11 posted on 09/11/2009 3:21:43 PM PDT by GOPJ (ACORN offers help to hide child sex slaves - and tells the MSM they're "performance artists"....)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Wait until Obamacare makes this "pre-existing condition" mandatory.

Since he couldn't repeal the Defense Of Marriage Act, or accomplish anything with "Gays In The Military", this will be Obamassiah's "Gift" to them, which IMHO, is what he has chosen as the "gay codeword" for AIDS by "pre-existing conditions".

If you look at the chart that GodGunsGuts posted, ANYONE employing someone with this "pre-existing condition" will IMMEDIATELY drop their company paid coverage, putting them on the taxpayer funded Obamacare dole.

(Gomer Pyle pic with "Surprise,Surprise" caption goes in this spot)

12 posted on 09/11/2009 3:22:16 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: neverdem

You’ll be stunned at these numbers.


14 posted on 09/11/2009 3:22:28 PM PDT by GOPJ (ACORN offers help to hide child sex slaves - and tells the MSM they're "performance artists"....)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Is it true that if you have the virus that causes AIDS you automatically are accepted into the Social Security Disability Program... and can received up to $1,500 a month for over 60 years? In short if a person has the virus when they're 20 years old, they could receive social security for 80 years if they live to be a hundred?

And the disease has devolved - so it's no where near as dangerous as it once was... most of the people with the virus live as long as people without the virus.

16 posted on 09/11/2009 3:26:37 PM PDT by GOPJ (ACORN offers help to hide child sex slaves - and tells the MSM they're "performance artists"....)
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To: GodGunsGuts

There’s a real disconnect on the funding for diseases and their seriousness and funding.

COPD is very debilitating and very underfunded.

And just how big a threat is West Nile?


17 posted on 09/11/2009 3:27:49 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I’d really like to see a breakdown of how these dollars are being spent, not just for the HIV/AIDS category, but also for the other wild outliers, breast cancer, and (on a per patient basis) West Nile virus. And I’d like to see the whole federal government funding picture, not just “NIH research dollars” for the other diseases, not just the outliers. I suspect the ratio between total federal funding and NIH funding is especially outrageous for AIDS, because of a massive number of politically-motivated “educational” programs (some of which boil to down to titillating sessions with graphic instruction in how to have lots and lots and lots of sex while sorta kinda hopefully minimizing your chance of catching or transmitting HIV) and disability payments to AIDS patients (I doubt that the total funding chart you linked to includes the disability payments).

Many years ago, I had a passing acquaintance with an HIV+ friend of a friend. This young man was getting a huge housing voucher (I believe it was directly from New York State or New York City, but a good chunk may have been ultimately coming from federal funds), sufficient to pay the full cost of a comfortable apartment, based on his “disability”, and also some sort of cash welfare payments (I think at least partly federal) and food stamps, while he attended a “job training” program in “Landscape Design”. Mind you there was no way he had the qualifications or connections to get any sort of employment in actual landscape *design*, and the program sounded like it was actually preparing people to doing mowing/mulching/hedgetrimming type work — in other words, manual labor that couldn’t possibility be performed by anyone who had a legitimate physical disability, and that is normally done by people with no formal training. The fellow was out partying 7 nights a week and didn’t show the slightest sign of illness. He also seemed to have plenty of spare cash, since he shared his excitement over the new piercings he’d gotten in unspeakable places, with accompanying little bits of gold jewelry. I’d guesstimate, translated into today’s dollars, that he was directly receiving about $30,000 a year in cash, housing vouchers, and food stamps, plus Medicaid, plus the “job training” program was covered, so altogether probably over $75,000/year to the taxpayers. This was for an “AIDS” patient who wasn’t even sick yet, and if his infection continued to develop slowly, would likely survive another 15-20 years, with gradually decreasing ability to work (hardly relevant, since he wasn’t working and had no real intention of working) and gradually increasing annual medical care costs. The final tab for that particular patient probably came in at over $1 million, and I have no reason to think he was an unusual case.

Looking at NIH funding alone doesn’t give a clear picture for other diseases either, since they vary tremendously in what type of research is suited to the disease. West Nile looks like a far more insane outlier in that table than AIDS or breast cancer, but there’s probably very little federal spending related to WNV other than NIH research and some data-gathering/processing by the CDC. And there would probably be little funding at the state level, except for seasonal spraying in certain areas, and breast cancer probably only gets a bit more non-NIH federal funding than WNV, through Medicare and Medicaid (for both screening and treatment). On the other hand, as noted above, NIH-funding is probably a tiny drop in the bucket when considering the total federal taxpayers’ bill for HIV/AIDS. WNV is clearly a real public health issue, which emerged rather suddenly, creating a need for a burst of research to find out how big a threat it really is, and for which research is appropriately done under the auspices of a federal agency, and drawing on resources from other federal agencies with expertise in entomology, local/regional weather patterns, local/regional wetlands geography, immigration/customs, etc. Breast cancer, however, is suited to having a lot of research done out of large hospitals, and with a lot of private funding — not much the federal government can really add other than cash.


24 posted on 09/11/2009 3:54:26 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GodGunsGuts

Funding has be come a political tool, instead of a social economic benefit…has anyone noticed that there have not been very many scientific returns in AIDs versus Cancers?


27 posted on 09/11/2009 4:10:49 PM PDT by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
First, I agree that more per person is spent on AIDS than other diseases and maladies. Way too much.

GGG, please get a science education.

Sometime after WWII, someone either got bit by a monkey, ate a monkey or screwed a monkey with SIV (simian Immunodeficiency Virus). The virus mutated into HIV. That person infected others through sex. Back in the 70s , a gay flight attendant got it and spread it around the US. The promiscuous unprotected anal and oral sex of gays helped to quickly spread it. Later,drug addicts started getting it from sharing needles with infected gay addicts. In Africa, it was spread by heterosexual sex.

31 posted on 09/11/2009 5:36:08 PM PDT by Wacka
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To: GodGunsGuts

I have been complaining of this for years to any and all who would listen. The problem is almost no one is listening.

Have you ever once heard this cost mentioned in all the talk of healthcare ‘reform?’ The statistics I have read are that AIDS costs est $340,000 per preson’s life in US.

AIDS is a wholly preventable disease unlike heart disease and diabetes. Yet all we ever hear about is how heart disease and diabetes are preventable. They aren’t.

The AIDS population is not heterosexuals. It is majority homosexual and minority iv drug users. It is basically a disease transmitted through anal sex. But no one is allowed to state this simple fact.


36 posted on 09/12/2009 9:30:26 AM PDT by dervish (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself)
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