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To: Star Traveler
You're trying to take Revelation literally? You claim to be able to understand the symbols? Cause if so then that means you must have the supernatural gift of interpretation, because Revelation is nothing but a book of symbols, with the exception of chapters two and three.

Revelation was not written to us. It was written to the seven churches of Asia. Those people had the supernatural gift of interpretation.

Further, the events described in Revelation took place in their lifetime.

Rev 1:1-3: The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

The events contained in Revelation were fulfilled during the lifetime of the recipients. People who look for a future "kingdom" believe false doctrine.

Matt 16:28: "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."

To suggest that we look for a future establishment of Jesus' kingdom is to say Jesus lied.

But more to the point. If dispensationalism were true, which it is not, you wouldn't make it anyway.

Rev 14:1-4: And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins.

If dispensationalism were true (that's the name of the doctrine you cling to), then only 144,000 will make it, they'll only be men, and they'll only be virgins.

Revelation is a book of symbols written in code (to people who had the supernatural gift of interpretation) to shield them from their persecutors.

Further, if anybody had that gift today, then they would also have the gifts of healing the sick, raising the dead, etc, and nobody has those gifts. If they did, it would be all over the ten oclock news.

35 posted on 09/04/2009 6:47:57 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul
Yes, the book of Revelation is full of symbols, and speaks to a literal period of time and of literal things that are happening during this time... :-)

Sounds like a good discussion here, so I would suggest you take this particular post, open up a new thread and start posting on it. I can promise you, that I and others will be there to talk... :-)

But, since this thread is "Illegal immigrant held in death of Tulsa cyclist (Oklahoma)" -- it doesn't seem appropriate to keep posting on these issues on this particular thread, or else we'll have to get the Moderator to change the title of the thread... LOL...

However, in the religion section, this will be discussed with a lot of enthusiam ...

36 posted on 09/04/2009 8:47:40 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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