Posted on 09/03/2009 11:15:40 AM PDT by BenLurkin
Remember the days when the word Google was not interchangeable with internet? Or when every site seemed to have a Netscape icon on it? Or when Flash was still something you cleaned your floor with? Then you were clearly using the web in the mid to late 1990s when pages were rudimentary affairs containing lists of links and information.
Thanks to the waybackmachine internet archive, we're still able to see some of the Web 1.0 and Web 2.0 pioneers looked in their earliest incarnations.
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
I think the term 'website' may be throwing people off, in 87, they had a domain and IP registration (I remember it was something like 10.1.1.50 (50th ever registered).) It was a BBS type presence and when you connected, you saw an apple drawn in asterisks. This was way before the invention of a browser per say.
Yahoo, Cisco, Netscape, Oracle.... they were some high performers if you got in at the right time!
I really wish I could.
It is staggering to see the changes to Amazon.com, Borders.com and CNN.com. I do not know how to use the way back machine. If you know how to use it, be my guest.
But it was at the top/right of the website. I’ve been on the internet for many years. I have 5 Macs to prove it. My first one was a Quadra ... it was a long time ago. Compuserve and Prodigy were kings then.
The http protocol didn’t even exist in 1987. It wasn’t until about 1990 that the first web browser was released.
Apple had a domain name in 1987, but they did not have a website there in 1987.
Yes. There were Gophers galore and BBS.
There really weren’t any graphical web sites until Mosaic which was late 93. Netscape was in 1994.
See reference here below for a reference to an apple.com website in 1994. Which would make sense then.
http://m.digg.com/apple/First_Apple_com_homepage_from_1996?offset=30
Apple got started in 1987 according to this site:
http://thelongestlistofthelongeststuffatthelongestdomainnameatlonglast.com/first71.html
As a side note:
“In April 1985 cmu.edu, purdue.edu, rice.edu and ucla.edu were the first registered domain names.”
This guy has screen shots for apple some years back
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kernelpanic/sets/283374/
Here is a flashback for you, remember Apple’s Knowledge Navigator? (also circa 1987)
It didn’t run http based through a browser. It was through what they called a ddp (datagram delivery protocol) called Apple Talk (similar to the old Local Talk). That’s why in the other post I mentioned the word ‘website’ may be throwing folks off.. it was more of a ‘networked presence’.
Wasn’t it a prototype product? I dimly recall the name.
Yep, check it out.
http://www.billzarchy.com/clips/clips_apple_nav.htm
Remember, this is from 1987. It is too bad they had a lost decade (or 2) where their innovation stagnated.
Mike Those are great screen shots.
If you had 300 baud you were one hot mo’fo. Then of course came dizzying speeds of 1200, 2400, 4800, 9600.
Look at some old internet art of bbs and other fora
http://www.textfiles.com/fidonet-on-the-internet/art/
I hope you have memorized the The Hayes Modem Command Set:
http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdenetwork/kppp/appendix-hayes-commands.html
See post #8- Archive.org only goes back to 1996 but Apple.com was one of the first websites ever, all the way back to 87.
Ummm..., "websites" did not exist back then. There was no such thing. LOL ...
E-mail existed, and FTP existed, but not any webpages. Webpages did not come about until about the mid-1990s...
The hypertext, HTTP protocol was invented by Tim Berners-Lee. He is credited with inventing the "World Wide Web". The first web browser came into existence only in the 1990s.
The introduction of the NCSA Mosaic web browser in 1993 – one of the first graphical web browsers – led to an explosion in web use. Marc Andreessen, the leader of the Mosaic team at NCSA, soon started his own company, named Netscape, and released the Mosaic-influenced Netscape Navigator in 1994, which quickly became the world's most popular browser, accounting for 90% of all web use at its peak (see usage share of web browsers).
Wikipedia article on web browsers...
I lived all through all that, from the beginning of the Internet, itself, and with the various other protocols and was on the Internet long before the web browser was ever invented.
It didn’t run http based through a browser. It was through what they called a ddp (datagram delivery protocol) called Apple Talk (similar to the old Local Talk). That’s why in the other post I mentioned the word ‘website’ may be throwing folks off.. it was more of a ‘networked presence’.
Well, the Internet is TCP/IP and AppleTalk and/or LocalTalk does not run on TCP/IP. However, it has been made to be "tunneled" through TCP/IP. But, Apple has given up on AppleTalk and it's no longer supported. In any case, it was only for "LANs" and not for WANs (like the Internet and TCP/IP).
A person was never able to get AppleTalk outside of a LAN; it was limited to that (namely, just your own limited number of computers in a LAN and/or a combination of several LANs joined together in a building). You could never reach Apple by way of the protocol -- AppleTalk. It never happened, at any time.
Apple did set up the forerunner for AOL, though, which was another matter altogether... :-)
They would have had to tunnel Appletalk through TCP/IP for that to work.
Localtalk is another physical layer for AppleTalk. The protocol is the same, the difference is that localtalk runs on a single unshielded twisted pair (telephone wire) whereas AppleTalk required special shielded twisted pair cable.
There was a lot of this outdated garbage still around when I was in school in the mid 90s, so I know more about it than I care to.
correction:
Localtalk uses proprietary shielded twisted pair cables.
Phonenet uses a single unshielded twisted pair (standard telephone cable).
Both are physical layers for AppleTalk, which can also run on more modern networking hardware such as Ethernet.
The advantage to Localtalk and Phonenet is that it was very cheap to add these to the Apples of the time (you needed only an adapter box which I believe was under $50 at the time), wheras Ethernet was more expensive (probably around $150).
The disadavantage to Localtalk and Phonenet is that they are dog slow at 230.4kbps (which is double the maximum PC serial port speed of 115.2kbps).
Actually, it was in 1987. Apple.com was one of the first 100 domain sites ever registered and established. It was 02/19/1987
Using e-mail (as in POP and SMTP/IMAP), Gopher and FTP, Telnet, along with Archie, Veronica, Jughead, etc.... is not the same thing as the "Hypertext Transport Protocol"... :-)
From info about Archie, Veronica, Jughead, etc....
The lowdown on Archie, Gopher, Veronica and JugheadArchie, Gopher, Veronica and Jughead are three standard "finding" tools on the Internet. The Archie database is made up of the file directories from hundreds of systems. When you search this database on the basis of a file's name, Archie can tell you which directory paths on which systems hold a copy of the file you want.
To use Archie, you must Telnet to an Archie server. You can do that by keying in a command such as telnet://archie.internic.net to get to the Archie server at that address and log on by keying in archie when prompted to do so. Once you do your Archie search, you must then go get the file using FTP, the Internet File Transfer Protocol.
A Gopher is a menu system that simplifies locating and using Internet resources. Each Gopher menu at each Gopher site is unique. Gopher menus usually include the other familiar features of the Internet. You can use a Gopher to Telnet to a location or to FTP a file or to do just about anything else--as long as that option is listed on the Gopher menu.
Gopher software makes it possible for the system administrator at any Internet site to prepare a customized menu of files, features and Internet resources. When you use the Gopher, all you have to do is select the item you want from the menu.
The Veronica database is a collection of menus from most Gopher sites. When you do a Veronica search, you are searching menu items. In the course of the search, Veronica builds an on-the-spot menu consisting of just those items that match your request. When the search is finished, Veronica will present you with a customized Gopher menu.
Veronica will not only present you with a list of Gopher menu items, it will also act like a Gopher. The Veronica database of all Gopher menu items is called Gopherspace. Thus, if you used Veronica to search Gopherspace for the word supreme, you would most likely come up with a Gopher-style menu listing the places to get U.S. Supreme Court decisions. At this point, you could simply choose an item, and Veronica would automatically take you there.
Jughead is available at some Gopher sites and uses the menu items on a single Gopher menu as its database.
You may be thinking about Quantum and Apple who set up a dial-up service for Apple dealers and customers and users, which then went on to be AOL ... I signed up for that service back in 1990. It was dial-up and it never used HTTP and/or AppleTalk.
In May 1988, Quantum and Apple launched AppleLink Personal Edition for Apple II and Macintosh computers.
Apple never had a website back then.
I used QuickBBS for mine. Fun times. :-)
XModem and YModem 1K were pretty good, but ZModem was just a different animal altogether.
Wow, to think we used to be able to CHOOSE the file transfer protocol. Almost like a manual transmission or something...
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