Posted on 08/11/2009 5:27:57 PM PDT by Amerigomag
A motorcyclist was killed Monday in a collision with a motor home on Highway 101’s Conejo Grade after he slowed rapidly in front of the recreational vehicle in an apparent road-rage incident, authorities said.
The motorcyclist, a 57-year-old Ventura man, was killed about 12:22 p.m. on southbound Highway 101 near Camarillo Springs Road when he collided with a roughly 30-foot motor home driven by Michael Antoine, 68, of Thousand Oaks, said Officer Terry Uhrich of the California Highway Patrol’s Moorpark office.
The motorcyclist and Antoine were both traveling about 55 mph when the collision occurred in the right lane, authorities said. Witnesses and Antoine later told authorities that the motorcyclist had made obscene hand gestures, pulled in front of the motor home, then slowed down dramatically, Uhrich said.
Antoine did not have time to react and struck the back of the low-slung custom motorcycle, causing it to become stuck under the front of the RV, authorities said. The motorcyclist was thrown from the bike, run over by the motor home and dragged underneath for about 75 feet, Uhrich said. Unable to steer, Antoine continued about 500 feet and hit the center divider, Uhrich said.
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DOH
Have fun smurfboy. You get to the bottom of this!
Wow, last night you were quoting this same reporter as gospel, and look at you. Now, you scoff at him.
Hey, it’s been real, and it’s been fun, but it ain’t been real fun!
G’night, John Boy...:O)
And, and you think the biker was waving??
LOL!!!!!!!! BWAHAHHAHAHA...
Shazamm!!
What a shocker!!
Why, that independent witness must be a biker hater!!
Shazamm!!
What a shocker!!
Why, that independent witness must be a biker hater!!
No, I’m thinking Kashdan had a problem and was trying to get over to the side, post haste.
BTW, this accident is being investigated by M.A.I.T. (Major Accident Investigation Team)
Now, let this be enough. I don’t want you goin’ all Brokeback on me,ok?
Oh, I see, now the biker is having motor problems, and he was politely waving at the motorist to allow him to move over.
I must say, you have quite an imagination and have a real talent for injecting your imagination into news reports.
Better watch it, that could’ve been Dave Senior.
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More likely, the RV pulled out in front of the motorcyclist in the 2nd to left lane. The motorcyclist, po'd, gassed on it, blew past the RV, waving the one fingered salute
Even if the witnesses were in separate vehicles, witnesses make mistakes all the time.
Yes, about 55, was that at the time of impact, or was that their constant speed?
When I read that this AM, I called the reporter and spoke to him about it. He confirmed there was only one witness
There was NO RAGE, NO MIDDLE FINGER, and there was ONLY ONE WITNESS
Sorry, folks, I ain’t buyin’ the RV guy’s story.
No, I’m thinking Kashdan had a problem and was trying to get over to the side, post haste.
More likely, the RV pulled out in front of the motorcyclist in the 2nd to left lane.
Based on a motorhome in the left lane (wrong, it was in the right)
Based on a man riding a $35k plus Big Dog in the LEFT LANE going down a grade.(Collision occured in the right lane)lol
The motorcyclist, po'd, gassed on it, blew past the RV, waving the one fingered salute and yelling, then when he was clear, he did slow down, probably rapidly to avoid the possible radar wielding Chippy, and the RV aided by the downhill grade, gassed on it to pizz the bike off.
RV accelerating, coupled with the, most likely, poor braking of a class "C" motorhome, and we have an accident. ___________________________________________________________
You funner than a barrel of monkeys!!
You're wrong.
A vehicle blows a red light, or someone left turns from the left turn bay into your direction of travel and it's lights out, regardless of experience or luck.
You're wrong.
Hmmm...
Then you tell me specifically how your luck and experience avoids a potential fatal impact when the the bozo in the buick fails to see ya from the left turn bay, makes the left into your direction of travel, just as you hit the limit line....
Take your time here friend.
You're wrong.
Scenario #2 (I can do this all day long)
Mr. Killjoy is on his scooter, eastbound approaching the intersection traveling at about 40 mph with a green light.
Ms. Hogjaw is in her Honda traveling northbound with a red light at about 40mph.
As Mr. Killjoy approaches the limit line, Ms. Hogjaw fails to notice her light is red as she smears lipstick on her hoglips. As both vehicle reach the limit line, how does Killjoy avoid being killed here with less than 1/2 second to react?
Take your time responding.
He goes around the backside of and where Hoglips won't be in an instant. Skill counts, so double Killjoy's speed and he's still fine.
LOL!
Once you reach the limit line area, there is absolutely nothing that can be done. There isn't time to brake, maneuver, or anything else. End of story.
I know of one case where the bike at an intersection that went into the driver side door, with the bike rider going through the driver window, killing the biker, the car driver and his passenger who was seated in the front right passenger seat.
Happens in the blink of an eye my friend.
His choice. He should have made better choices and developed some skill.
"Once you reach the limit line area, there is absolutely nothing that can be done. There isn't time to brake, maneuver, or anything else. End of story."
How about 90MPH and ~15ft from impact. Z'at past the limit line? Not for a competent rider.
"Happens in the blink of an eye my friend."
Pay attn and you won't spill yer coffee doing it at 1/2 that speed.
You clearly don't get it. It's not humanly possible for the rider, or the bike to avoid the scenarios I have provided above. You'd have as much "luck" avoiding a bullet fired point blank.
Experience, skill or luck, have nothing to do with these scenarios above.
I not only get it, I've done it and do it for real. The OODA loop in the 90MPH scenario was done in under 115ms and I never spilt the AM coffee at half that speed.
"You'd have as much "luck" avoiding a bullet fired point blank."
Point blank range is simply the range a bullet can travel and not deviate from some predetermined, arbitrary vertical distance. For hunting and similar purposes, the vertical range is usually 5". That could give a horizontal range of over 300 yds.
Nevertheless, cages are much larger than bullets and move at far less than supersonic speeds. That means that a rider can always apply an OODA loop. To maintain control then, the rider simply needs to provide for sufficient time to allow for an effective action. This is the context where paying attention, experience and practice pays off.
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