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He did not and can not prove that the actual document that Obama has dated 2007 isn’t a legitimate document You did, OBVIOUSLY mean that you "can prove that the actual document that Obama has dated 2007 isn’t a legitimate document", didn't you???

I did not say that. I can't prove what Obama has or hasn't got is legit. Thats my whole point, no one else can either unless they have handled the document. What was posted at fact check was rightly deemed a fake. I have never disputed that. Because it's a fake, it can honestly be said that no one knows for sure that Obama has a real COLB, other than the state of Hawaii saying that he was born there based on what they have. Thats it. The photos of the COLB I have seen, not the scans, look pretty legit to me, they look very much like my own which I know to be real. But you still can't tell if what was pictured was authentic. You can';t tell that from a picture.

Is this a little more clearly put for you.

Be all that as it may, NOTHING is going to force Obama to pony up the documents other than a Judge, and he is fighting that tooth and nail. I don't think Obama is legit, I think he is hiding something that proves that he is not legit. Given the blatant fraud on his selective Service documents, there is darned good reason to assume that everything he has released is fake just based on current and past behavior.

Now, if indeed I am correct in this, my 2007 COLB is MORE valuable to polarik because it comes from the same time and processing Room that Obama's did. That should be giving him a wealth of information now that it is correctly and accurately been determined to be of that era, March - June of 2007 is a pretty narrow window.

So please, can we just move past this now? There is NO POINT in riding my ass about it other than the riders personal satisfaction, which has got to be greatly overestimated!

Is this a little more clearly put for you.

Yes. Thanks.

Be all that as it may, NOTHING is going to force Obama to pony up the documents other than a Judge, and he is fighting that tooth and nail. I don't think Obama is legit, I think he is hiding something that proves that he is not legit. Given the blatant fraud on his selective Service documents, there is darned good reason to assume that everything he has released is fake just based on current and past behavior.

OK we're back on the same page. I guess that means we can stop "agreeing with each other at the top of our lungs", as my HS sweetheart so eloquently put it...