Posted on 08/09/2009 4:45:11 PM PDT by Polarik
Geez o’ man! I;ve been trying all night to stay off this thread. Oh well.
FWIW
Some of these posts are what a judge would call badgering. At the very least, the accusations against Danae are disingenuous. Polarik DID accuse her of posting a FORGED document and THIS was his PROOF. He was absolutely dead wrong:
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From Polarik:
This COLB is a forgery, and a really bad one, too.
The date-stamp on the back is totally bogus. You can clearly see that it was added to an existing image: a scan of a COLB folded twice into quarters. The fact that a deep fold runs right theough the middle of the date yet, the date is as straight as if it were on a perfectly flat piece of paper.
On closer examination, you can immediately see how the letters are all thin, jagged and broken apart, and surrounded by pixel haloes.
Here are some images I made that illustrate the forging:
BAD STAMP:
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/New-COLBS/DANA-MAR-2007-CU.jpg
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/New-COLBS/bad-date.jpg
FOLDS ON THE BACK, BUT NOT ON THE FRONT, AND VICE-VERSA:
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/New-COLBS/fold-1.gif
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/New-COLBS/fold-2.gif
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His “proof” was BASELESS. Nothing about her posted doc was bogus. It definitely was NOT a forgery. You and others keep citing the date as proof that she was “almost forging” this thing?
He flat out stated it was added AFTER the fact and that SHE did it on purpose. How in the world do you “ALMOST” forge something? Why are you defending him?
How is it HER fault he called it a forgery when it clearly was NOT?
Next time I have something to add that may expose me to either vitriol like yours and a few others, or potentially expose myself or my family to unwanted attention, you can BET that because of people like YOU who refuse to take an apology and MOVE ON, you can bet I won’t do it and history be damned.
***You’re the one who had misgivings about moving on, expecting an apology from Polarik after it was shown that you caused the initial trouble. You didn’t even post your apology to him. It’s easy to see that you’re the one acting like a 3rd grader, and it’s possible that all of FR has to suffer because of your mistakes & sour attitude.
How can you deal with anyone at all in any manner when they refuse to respond to written correspondence? Forgive my poor choice of words, I didn’t say too much of anything until it was apparent Polarik wasn’t responding to the near dozen images I subsequently sent him. Not a word, then or now. At that point I felt not only betrayed for trying to help him, but hung out to dry BY him.
I did NOT do anything wrong, nor did I deliberately mislead anyone. As SOON AS I have evidence of my mistake I posted it and owned up to it and apologized, which is better than I have gotten from several posters on this thread.
Oh so you call pinging everyone who posted on the whole thread over the ENTIRE thing wasn’t good enough for you. Kiss my *** Kevmo. Grow up.
Maybe you should have stayed off the thread and kept reading about red herrings & such. But putting in the capital letters was a nice touch. Show me where I said it was an “almost forgery”. I didn’t. So when you write FWIW, For What It’s Worth is ZERO.
Danae:
You wanted Polarik to act on it, you shoulda pinged Polarik. Simple enough. You made a lot of mistakes on this episode, some of them questionable enough to suggest your intentions were less than honorable. Pinging “all” doesn’t ping all. Go ahead, look at your inbox.
Kevmo, you might have noticed my post was not for your eyes only. It was a response to other things I had seen reading through the thread. Specifically:
>Fred:
“And finally, Polarik gave his opinion. OPINION! He wrote exactly what I was thinking. Polarik did not say he had done an analysis, he reacted.”
He clearly DID say he had done an analysis, so that was just wrong.
>Fred:
“From my point of view, you came close to presenting a forgery in my mind.”
Almost a forgery?
It wasn’t a forgery. Polarik claimed it was. “And a bad one at that.”
From an expert?
What could possibly be the defense for that?
Feel free to ping the people you actually want to respond to your ping. Geez, how lazy can a freeper get?
You are a class A J*** you know that? Polarik had posted on that thread. I PINGED THE WHOLE thread!! That means everyone who posted ON it got the ping. Including Polarik. And thats not good enough for you??
And you have to ride MestaMachine for making you look like an idiot. If I was wrong, SO WAS POLARIK. That COLB is no fraud and I proved that.
I apologized.
Polarik did NOT, and he was the one throwing around the accusations of “Forgery” and “Fraud”.
At this point you are looking like a total whack-o. And you can’t admit that you are wrong as well.
Therefore I have to say, You are less of a man than I am, and I am a woman.
Good night.
How much more responsible can you get than to ping everyone on the thread who ever posted a thing to it?
Answer me that Mr. Joker.
Ummm. I did. You must be blinded by all that red herring you spoke of.
But you didn’t respond to the bogus analysis by Polarik. Why not?
Now I simply have to LOL! Just imagine...you ping ALL and a couple of hundred thousand Freepers get the message...WHAT POWER! And why didn't I think of that before...LOL again.
I lov ya, Fred, and I really tried to stay off this thread, but this stuff just isn’t right.
Fair Dinkum
But you didn’t respond to the bogus analysis by Polarik. Why not?
***Because I gave you too much credit. I thought you would know what a red herring was. Apparently you do not know, and yet you still ignorantly use it in communicating. I need to lower my expectations of you.
Polarik you have my apology.
Your apology is appreciated.
Since I was not privy to the private electronic exchange between you and Polarik, I cannot know with certainty that what you sent him to analyze is exactly the same thing that you posted on FR in defense of your legitimate COLB. Polarik claims the images you sent him were manipulated. He based his opinion on those images. You claim that he pronounced a forgery from images of a valid document.
If Polarik stopped responding to you, I suspect it was because he questioned your intentions and chose not to spend his time defending himself rather than because you embarrassed him. I suspect that’s why you received no apology - he didn’t think you were owed one after misleading him and then calling him out as a fraud. Some would call that a bait and switch.
It gives me pause that you feel the need to persist in denigrating his reputation and that you continue to rant about your innocence in the matter. I don’t know that I can resolve that here.
Not that you should care, but I will be more likely to believe your claim of innocence if you choose to move on without pointing to this irreconcilable “gotcha” between you and Polarik. Your future comments will demonstrate your character not your insistence of honor.
Thank you for answering my questions.
I changed my tagline as a result...sometimes a mistake too energetically defended, can seem to be a lie.
Does the management here have an opinion cause I sure don't?
my only question was why did they spend so much money to not simply present a long form birth certificate and the fact that so many other early records of his are sealed unlike any other predecessor I know of
but didn't the Hawaii GOP governor validate that she saw a legit BC copy (in her opinion)?
thanks...if you want to wade in..
Danae:
How much more responsible can you get than to ping everyone on the thread who ever posted a thing to it? Answer me that Mr. Joker.
***You can be responsible enough to, once again, check your inbox. Did you find this ping in there? No. How do I know that? OMG, is Kevmo reading Danae’s account? No. I know it because when I check my own inbox I don’t see the pings to ALL in there. That means Polarik, who probably gets pinged a lot more than you, could have missed your apology. How much further do you expect someone to spell it out to you?
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