Posted on 08/04/2009 11:09:28 AM PDT by MissTickly
"Dear Orly:
PER YOUR CURRENT KENYAN BC: Are working FOR Obama, Orly? I am on to you.
THIS IS A SHAM. You knew the following BEFORE you filed your recent debacle in court. I know, I wrote and told you so did another poster:
This is not a good pursuit of things as it could result in placing The President's VITAL RECORDS under court seal, keeping, We, the People, who have Oversight of the agency, who has the Oversight of the records from legally viewing them per UIPA Provisions (§92F-12) (3) (15).
This is a legal and responsible route to pursue the documents. I have done so and asked that ’significant privacy information’ per exceptions found in (§92F-13(1) be omitted from the records. As lawyer, Orly knows this is true.
The ’significant privacy information’ per Obama’s Vital Records are these: DOB & Ethnicity
Place of birth, hospital, address at the time of birth, weight, etc.. ARE NOT considered ’significant privacy information’ per by the UIPA open records law in Hawaii and most states in America as far as I can tell.
These provisions in context of Fukino’s TWO public statements and the current political climate MANDATE that disclosure of his VITAL RECORDS serves the Public. (§92F-12) (3) (15)
UIPA STATUTE Part II: “To balance the individual privacy interest and the public interest, allowing access unless disclosure would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.
Given this direction that the UIPA be interpreted to promote open government, any doubt regarding disclosure of a record should likely be resolved IN FAVOR OF ACCESS.”
DEAR ALL FREEPERS:
Orly, I believe, is working for OBAMA. Please urge her to step off, she's not helping the cause for truth. I suspect it is entirely intentional, too. She's a lawyer and knows about the Hawaiian OPEN RECORDS LAW. Yet, she hasn't tried to pursue it? There are TWO provisions that call for the public disclosure--she KNOWS THIS.
Think about it--where has she found all the resources to keep pursuing this when others have not? Has she ever helped this cause so far--in terms of GETTING ANSWERS?
WELL, I HAVE. This is MY story, that happened, Monday, July, 27:
On a whim I decided to try my hand at a question for Janice Okubo, Communications Director for the Department of Health that holds the President’s vital records. Believe me when i say I have not sought an answer to the ‘birther’ question in any formal way ever before this day. I emailed her and I asked her about AMENDED original birth certificates, something which by sheer existence alone, usually (not always) indicates a person was ADOPTED:
In a nutshell, this is what I asked her:
“Ms. Okubo–
Director Fukino made this statement (Oct 2008): ““Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures… ” Therefore, she has the statutory authority to answer this question:
“Is the Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, able to state they have verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama’s AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures?” Please reply with her answer.”
You see, they have the same statutory authority over an Amended Original Birth Certificate that they have over an (unamended) Original Birth Certificate. No one has to attest to an Amended Original Birth Certificate’s existence or have ‘tangible interest’ in the record. By virtue of STATUTORY AUTHORITY alone she can answer my question, AND she clearly says so.
But, to my surprise, at 11:47 p.m. on Monday, July 27, 2009 I got an electronic press release with a new statement, the first in EIGHT months with the ‘natural born citizen’ stuff people have been talking about all week:
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
I had this sent directly to me by Janice Okubo, herself, in response to my emailed question. And I suspect I had it hours before the press had it. I searched Google for any reference to this statement. None. Not even FactCheck.org had it.
Of course, since they are able to drive the story through the media they needlessly added the stuff about being ‘natural born’ and ‘born in Hawaii’ to the answer to my question and to detract from the affirmative answer to my question and to fit their agenda. It was the headline on Yahoo! by the following morning.
But the answer to my carefully crafted question was there none-the-less:
“original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures...”
BECAME “original vital records [plural] maintained on file”
This was too vague for my taste, so I asked for clarity. So, I asked specifically if the Director would make a statement that she has the STATUTORY AUTHORITY TO MAKE: “As Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, I have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama’s AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” But I got this in return: “The director has nothing further to add to her statements.”
I let Ms. Okubo know that I fear something is preventing Dr. Fukino from making statements she does have the authority to make. Duress? And told her I was compelled to tell someone. I did, I sent an email to two major networks.
ANYWAY: Knowing in my heart why they made that statement on Monday, I pressed on. I looked at the UIPA Open Records Act in Hawaii and found ANYONE can make a request--not just Hawaiians. So using the question I’d already asked, I filed a UIPA Information Request.
Then I thought about it some more. The way I worded it felt wrong and it seemed like an inappropriate way to use the UIP Act and I withdrew it immediately and telling them I didn’t have the stomach for it.
Then I went back and read the UIPA Guidelines thoroughly and found the provision(s) that require the RESPONSIBLE disclosure of ALL OBAMA’S VITAL RECORDS citing not one, but TWO provisions. I want you to read my formal request and the follow up statements I sent. Read them in the order I have listed them, which is backward in chronological order beginning with today’s follow up. I think they read better that way. They have 10 days to respond, and I have recourse beyond The Dept. of Health noncompliance if that’s the case. I can re-file with the Hawaii Office of Information Practices for thier ruling.
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None of this LEGITIMATE EFFORT will make a difference if Orly pursues this. She is a lawyer, she knows I have followed UIPA Guidelines per Hawaii's Open Records Law and that I have made a case for disclosure.
I feel I must expose this, and I am sorry if anyone disgrees but this has become apparent to me.
Thanks for listening with an open ear!
Great! Go find some and come back and let us know who they are!
You say that Orly’s actions will cause the records you desire to be placed under seal. They are not yet under seal. Are they? What makes you think that they will be under seal any time soon? Why can’t you submit your records request.
I watched her ( Orly Taitz) interview with Savage and she is NOT an Obama Fan ....
Well that is interesting....not sure what is meant by amended though...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2308160/posts
Careless wording—I’m sorry. “Orly is working FOR Obama?”
Accepted and forgiven.
How do you know that? Orly is currently focused on getting the court to authenticate a Kenyan BC. Why will that affect Obama's Hawaiian records?
Really, I have put a lot of work into this, too.
Not even close to the time and amount she has.
I’d like to remain skeptical but still work together.
If you posted a thread about me titled "Orly is working FOR Obama?" I would never work with you or even talk to you. You've already burned that bridge.
Almost always: it means he was adopted.
I am one of the Indo/Lolo ‘birthers’ who is afraid the born in Kenya stuff might be a distraction.
Although, I will be more careful on how I ‘title’ my posts from now on!
Here is my corroboration:
This is the email with MY info removed:
http://fs03n1.sendspace.com/dl/e6864ec1eb393598408c331538bde8f2/4a78859b7f23b22a/hvdg5r/TXT.rtf
THIS IS THE PRESS RELEASE SHE SENT ME:
AND THIS IS THE UIPA Records Request I sent:
http://fs10n2.sendspace.com/download/lite/31e61f2e6573ca4fb81a2353bdc9abcd/4a770f9a/lwt4sg/5aa53664f44e79a51459d80404c2b2b5/aSJkEyITUSFeKwclYjtnfzRFbSwzUkV1GwU0QTERLhV9dzZQcg==/FullUIPAReqX-2.pdf
Email abuse reported to AM:
(redacted) at 07/18/2009 06:26 PM [complaint]
Regarding #45
I received the following freep mail in response to this post
Re: Three Questions fior the Wide, er, Wise Latina (Vanity)
From MissTickly | 07/18/2009 4:07:32 PM PDT new
(quote redacted as to not identify the complainant)
No, you don’t like the degradation, do you?
Eat shit, pig.
I apologized for my careless wording, I even tried to dedicate a thread to that apology.
I am sorry. Can we please move on?
Which of these comments is MissTickly? Which is Harriet Christian?
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“Maybe in Nancy Pelosi’s rarefied life of wealth and power that were either inherited by her politically influential family or her husband – she doesn’t understand what sexism is. If Nancy feels there’s an upside to being a woman maybe that’s why she doesn’t want more women in powerful positions because that would diminish hers. Nancy Pelosi likes being a part of the old boys club instead of working to get rid of the old boys clubs so all Americans can have equal access to better positions.”
“I’m proud to be an older American woman....
“The Democrats are throwing the election away. For what? An inadequate black male, who would not have been running had it not been a white woman that was running for president?
“And I’m not gonna shut my mouth anymore. I can be called white, but you can’t be called black. That’s not my America. It’s equality for all of us. It’s about time we all stood up for it.
“I’m no second class citizen, and God damn the Democrats....
“I came here for the vote of every American, and our Democratic Party threw us down the tubes. I was a second class citizen before, now I’m nothing. Why? Because they want to do what they want to do.
“And they think we won’t turn and vote for McCain. Well, I got news for all of you: McCain will be the next president of the United States.”
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2.
This typical white person does not feel particularly united with the rest of her party. Now go ahead and bash me, you caring & loving Obamites.
Many fine women fought for my right to vote for whomever and they fought for many womens’ right to vote Obama. I respect that. Now respect ME.
Hillary Clinton was vilified for being a woman, period. I don’t expect you to see this because you believe people who see this plainly & wish to empower themselves the only way they know how as ‘slime-pit dwelling traitors to all of humanity and history.’ Obama supporters & the MSM have tried to deny women their respect & power, so we’ll take that back & prove our empowerment. Unfortunately, it’s not the right-wing that vilified Hillary, it’s the Obama supporters. How can we show they need to respect us and 50% of the Democratic Party? By not supporting their candidate. Got that? It would be too convenient and meaningless to them to illustrate that point by supporting THEIR candidate. Women matter, our time is NOW. Not later. Traitors? To whom? The DNC? HA! So what, there are bigger fish to fry for REAL women, like me. Spend one minute writing about the larger issue of sexism in America then tell ME who I need to vote for. My candidate was torn down by a deliberate pattern of gender bias and sexism. She cannot win? Then, I cannot condone this blatant smear campaign with a clear conscience by allowing those who plainly display their ignorance to choose who should lead this country.
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Just curious is all....
Well since I have been defending her, I’d like an explanation.
MissTickly? A response?
Me thinks,you are 1 of 100’s strategically recruited to subversively plant doubt in order to minimize the veracity of the recently discovered COLB. You don't need to prove your credibility.
Your association with HuffPo solidified my opinion.
I’m willing to give people a chance but............see the Admin Moderators post 189.
Spoken like a true democrat.
I don’t think that is quite it. But there IS more to this than just seeking the “truth.” She thinks this will help hillary. It isn’t to help obama. She’s wrong on both counts.
Wheels within wheels.
LOL...these threads get so damn interesting....
OK
See post 189.
After doing some reading, there are too many inconsistencies. The biggest one for me is that I'm having a hard time reading the posts with all the misspellings no punctuation.
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